Whats going on in Jacanas????? - Indigenous Caribbean Network2024-03-29T05:23:42Zhttp://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/forum/topics/whats-going-on-in-jacanas?commentId=2030313%3AComment%3A46977&feed=yes&xn_auth=noMire ni el instituto d cultur…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2010-03-08:2030313:Comment:491222010-03-08T20:13:19.624ZIris Antongiorgi Concepcionhttp://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/IrisAntongiorgiConcepcion
Mire ni el instituto d cultura tiene el poder de hace algo sobre esto . La juripudencias de estos hallasgos cai en otras manos que no lo van a valorar como se debe y casi siempre lo esconden o lse lo llevan afuera para ortos museos que no le van a dar el valor que nosotros le damos. La falta de interes es lo que predonia en estos caso. O el poder del dinero que corre por donde quiera. No importa quien este en esto .Hay que ver quien es el que se va a encargar de estos yacimientos que lo han…
Mire ni el instituto d cultura tiene el poder de hace algo sobre esto . La juripudencias de estos hallasgos cai en otras manos que no lo van a valorar como se debe y casi siempre lo esconden o lse lo llevan afuera para ortos museos que no le van a dar el valor que nosotros le damos. La falta de interes es lo que predonia en estos caso. O el poder del dinero que corre por donde quiera. No importa quien este en esto .Hay que ver quien es el que se va a encargar de estos yacimientos que lo han utrajado y diria yo mutilado.Por sacarlos del lugar que es sagrado . Lugar que nunca se ha respetado y casi siempre es por el bien del progreso.Me lastima la forma que se esta manejando estos yacimientos.No solo nos han ultrajado nos estan explotando como ante lo hacian.<br />
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Posted<br />
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Feb 11 2008<br />
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<br />
Taino Ti<br />
As yet another article is written about the TAINO BURIAL GROUND it<br />
shows that how we as a people are just ignored in the whole process.<br />
When a Taino reads these articles one could imagine all the emotions<br />
that stir inside. The total disrespect, rage, anger, the futility<br />
that surfaces in the realization that what can one person do? As we<br />
find out that consulting firms reap HUGE profits from studying our<br />
ancestral bones. They also get to influence how we are…
Posted<br />
<br />
Feb 11 2008<br />
<br />
<br />
Taino Ti<br />
As yet another article is written about the TAINO BURIAL GROUND it<br />
shows that how we as a people are just ignored in the whole process.<br />
When a Taino reads these articles one could imagine all the emotions<br />
that stir inside. The total disrespect, rage, anger, the futility<br />
that surfaces in the realization that what can one person do? As we<br />
find out that consulting firms reap HUGE profits from studying our<br />
ancestral bones. They also get to influence how we are historically<br />
defined. Once again they get to write our History and Taino<br />
descendants are left out.<br />
<br />
<br />
We read how Archaeologist Chris Espenshade is so concerned about<br />
graverobbing.<br />
<br />
FROM GHOST OF THE TAINO<br />
<br />
"But Espenshade is concerned about what remains in the ground. With<br />
only a small portion of the site excavated, reburial of the site is<br />
intended to assure that the artifacts, human remains, and<br />
petroglyphs stay in place for future study. For now the Corps has<br />
the site "heavily guarded," but the intense publicity generated by<br />
the discovery poses a new dilemma.<br />
<br />
"I'm worried," he says. "We're only 15 to 20 minutes from downtown<br />
Ponce and everyone now knows what's here. Some of these glyphs would<br />
fetch tens of thousands of dollars on the antiquities market. If<br />
this site is not fenced and watched closely, somebody is going to<br />
come in with a backhoe some night and take everything."<br />
<br />
He worries that our own Puerto Rican people are going to sack the<br />
site & sell the artifacts to dealers of antiquities or possibly sell<br />
them on Ebay.<br />
<br />
What about our Puerto Rican people? Where is the outrage?? The<br />
media in PR is more concernerd about the birth of Jennifer Lopez's<br />
babies, Britney Spears problems, Miss Universe or Heath ledger dying<br />
than the bones of their Ancestors. I know that they may not consider<br />
those bones the bones of their family (even though in fact over 60%<br />
of them have amerindian mt dna) but what about the defense of our<br />
National patrimony & the history of our country??<br />
<br />
<br />
It seems that we ALL have to get involved & work with each other to<br />
make a difference on one of the most important issues we are ever<br />
going to face which is the the writing of our History & the defense<br />
of our Ancestral Burial Grounds.<br />
<br />
We are not alone in this battle. We have examples from our African<br />
bretheren on how to handle the defense of Sacred Sites.<br />
<br />
nabori daca Taino<br />
Caracoli Friday, November 9th, 2007
Ma…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2009-10-02:2030313:Comment:469772009-10-02T12:31:19.919ZCaracolihttp://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/tainoray
Friday, November 9th, 2007<br />
Maritza Díaz Alcaide First Time<br />
<br />
Ancestral action for propaganda<br />
<br />
History of gods and mythical heroes.The relationship between chiefs and towns<br />
beyond the distances. And to the intricacies of what could be interpreted as an<br />
ancient but effective form of propaganda. This is based on the petroglyphs<br />
found on the site of Ponce Jacana.<br />
<br />
With the discovery of Jacana is found that both groups, the Caguana and the<br />
Jacana, although geographically far apart, must have close…
Friday, November 9th, 2007<br />
Maritza Díaz Alcaide First Time<br />
<br />
Ancestral action for propaganda<br />
<br />
History of gods and mythical heroes.The relationship between chiefs and towns<br />
beyond the distances. And to the intricacies of what could be interpreted as an<br />
ancient but effective form of propaganda. This is based on the petroglyphs<br />
found on the site of Ponce Jacana.<br />
<br />
With the discovery of Jacana is found that both groups, the Caguana and the<br />
Jacana, although geographically far apart, must have close contact. That their<br />
bosses probably also controlled the images that were carved.<br />
<br />
Osvaldo García-Goyco Anthropologist<br />
<br />
After analyzing several of the monoliths found in that field, anthropology Dr.<br />
Osvaldo García-Goyco concluded that there is great similarity between the<br />
religious icons that John Alden Manson found between 1914 and 1915 in Caguana<br />
Ceremonial Center in Utuado, and the newly discovered in Jacana, Ponce.<br />
<br />
In both cases it is cemies gods that are represented in different materials and<br />
it was thought that came to life in themselves.<br />
<br />
The petroglyphs of Jacana not, however, identical to those of Utuado and it is<br />
in their differences lies the most important element to fill "gaps" historical<br />
life of our Indians.<br />
<br />
<br />
The petroglyphs that Garcia was able to analyze Goyco-an expert on archeology<br />
of the Antilles who serves as professor at the University of Puerto Rico and the<br />
Center for the Study of Puerto Rico and the Caribbean are the same five cemies<br />
of Caguana: the so-called ancestor female or mother goddess: her sons, the<br />
divine twins of the Taino mythology, the mask that served as a connection<br />
between the chief and the mythical hero defender of morals, and the male<br />
ancestor.<br />
<br />
With the discovery of Jacana is found that both groups, the Caguana and the<br />
Jacana, although geographically far apart, must have close contact. . Also that<br />
their bosses probably controlled the images that were carved, "said Garcia-Goyco<br />
in an exclusive interview with Primera Hora.<br />
<br />
Evidence of such control, said he appreciated even in the case of the monoliths<br />
of the Mother Goddess, both with cut stone rather similar.<br />
<br />
According to the anthropologist, religion and power in Borinquen also<br />
intertwined as in other countries, in our case through a supposedly divine<br />
descent of the chiefs.<br />
<br />
. The petroglyphs in Indian social life, Garcia scored Goyco, could even be a<br />
propaganda mechanism to highlight the desirable public image of who is projected<br />
as the heir of gods.<br />
<br />
The two fields, that of Caguana and Jacana, appear to be Taino period, but the<br />
teacher suspects that the Ponce mix pretaína elements of culture. " "The mask"<br />
Ponce of the petroglyph, he said, could be earlier period Taino by the<br />
simplicity of drawing, a signal that would suggest that places like that could<br />
be reused.<br />
<br />
The Mother Goddess<br />
<br />
Among the highlights of the work of this expert highlights, however, their<br />
evaluation on one of the petroglyphs that are characterized by the complexity of<br />
the zemi: the female ancestor or mother goddess who appears in Ponce with her<br />
head detached from the body.<br />
<br />
Such a finding, the anthropologist said, would corroborate the importance of<br />
Taino cultural practice of venerating the skulls of important people.<br />
<br />
Already at the site of the Paso del Indio, in Vega Baja, Garcia-Goyco himself<br />
had found between 1995 and 1997 had no skeletons skull and holding a skull in<br />
his hands, further evidence of the belief that they retained the spirit of the<br />
ancestor.<br />
<br />
The mother goddess of Jacana crown also exhibits a much more elaborate than the<br />
goddess Caguana.<br />
<br />
The first shows the representation of divinity "more masculinized" by showing<br />
his clenched fist, a symbol of virility in Taino amulets.<br />
<br />
She would be the goddess Itiba Cahubaba - bloody mother goddess - who according<br />
to legend, died giving birth quadruplets.<br />
<br />
Caguana The mother goddess, who looks more feminine touch their hands to open<br />
his ear, could be, according to Garcia-Goyco, Atabeira, mother of the springs.<br />
<br />
Importantly, the Ponce petroglyphs show a bolder relief than those of Utuado.<br />
The site is also located in an alluvial valley, which due to the action of<br />
floods must be sealed with layers of earth and therefore more likely to tell<br />
them apart from other historical periods. 16/11/2007
Disclaimer archaeo…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2009-10-02:2030313:Comment:469752009-10-02T12:28:58.130ZCaracolihttp://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/tainoray
16/11/2007<br />
Disclaimer archaeologist Diana Lopez at the Council for the Protection of<br />
Archaeological Heritage.<br />
<br />
Lopez, one of the main defenders of the integrity of<br />
yacimiento Jácana de Ponce, sent his resignation to the body<br />
Last Tuesday, it was learned.<br />
<br />
Rodriguez, member of the Council, said yesterday that<br />
the resignation of his mate was because she "was frustrated" with the<br />
attitude of several members of the entity.<br />
<br />
The Council consists of Archeology in part by leaders<br />
such as Secretary of…
16/11/2007<br />
Disclaimer archaeologist Diana Lopez at the Council for the Protection of<br />
Archaeological Heritage.<br />
<br />
Lopez, one of the main defenders of the integrity of<br />
yacimiento Jácana de Ponce, sent his resignation to the body<br />
Last Tuesday, it was learned.<br />
<br />
Rodriguez, member of the Council, said yesterday that<br />
the resignation of his mate was because she "was frustrated" with the<br />
attitude of several members of the entity.<br />
<br />
The Council consists of Archeology in part by leaders<br />
such as Secretary of Natural Resources and the Director of<br />
State Office of Historic Preservation, which have been criticized<br />
not to have demanded that the Army Corps of Engineers<br />
carries out in the case of Jacana with local law<br />
protection of archaeological sites.<br />
<br />
Rodriguez said Tuesday at a meeting of the Council that<br />
. situation became critical.<br />
<br />
The accounts say that day was expected to deliver federal agency<br />
complete and detailed information about the artifacts<br />
out of the country and other documents on the excavation process in<br />
the scene but did not.<br />
<br />
Officials sent the Corps of Engineers - Engineer<br />
Jorge M. Jorge M. Tous and archaeologist David McCullough - as noted by the<br />
archaeologist, insisted that the Corps of Engineers to blanket the<br />
federal law, not the state.<br />
<br />
"We have caught the fools," he said Rodriguez, who criticized the<br />
Chairman of the Board, the executive director of the Institute of<br />
Cultura Puertorriqueña, Puerto Rican Culture, Jose Luis Vega, complies with<br />
anticipated<br />
you will require the Corps of Engineers documents by<br />
<br />
What warrants the situation is to resort to court<br />
seeking a remedy.<br />
<br />
Archaeologist complained that the federal agency seeks to throw<br />
land above the reservoir to close it without further action<br />
placed first as a mesh. As indicated in these cases, he said,<br />
is to use white sand, not land, "but officials in<br />
Corps of Engineers said they had no money for that. "<br />
<br />
They mentioned the need to place a fence, but said<br />
could be stolen.<br />
<br />
Other Jacana archaeological pieces, it was noted during the meeting, would be<br />
taken soon.