Comments - GUA BAN CEX as a volcano / GUA BAN CEX como volcan - Indigenous Caribbean Network2024-03-29T08:58:45Zhttp://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=2030313%3ABlogPost%3A79593&xn_auth=noVery good look at the duality…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2014-08-13:2030313:Comment:1053212014-08-13T05:14:19.990ZAkuTureyhttp://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/FrankAkuTurey
<p>Very good look at the duality of all Life as it is represented in South America,Central America and our Islands...This explains a lot of what I've thought about,and it is good to see here the understanding that"male"/f"female",can be interchangeable.We this this in many examples in the animal/biological world-seahorses,clown fish,which change gender according to need.Naturally,indigenous traditions might have a preference for ascribing one or another gender to say,mountains,or the…</p>
<p>Very good look at the duality of all Life as it is represented in South America,Central America and our Islands...This explains a lot of what I've thought about,and it is good to see here the understanding that"male"/f"female",can be interchangeable.We this this in many examples in the animal/biological world-seahorses,clown fish,which change gender according to need.Naturally,indigenous traditions might have a preference for ascribing one or another gender to say,mountains,or the waters,and,as said here,an ambiguous assigning,or assigning both.</p> Takaji Nanu
Aside from I thin…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2012-06-21:2030313:Comment:889672012-06-21T11:19:40.026ZMiguel Sague Jrhttp://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/MiguelSobaokoKoromosague
<p>Takaji Nanu</p>
<p>Aside from I think is an obvious allusion to the human female breast in the artistic iconography of the three-pointer cemi cited above and its apparent similarity to an erupting volcano I want to point out the prevalent ambiguity in Indigenous mythic ascription. I agree completely that in most ancient tradition the volcano (talking mountain) is associated with a male divinity, and it is certainly plausible that the ancient Arawak ancestors may have made that association.…</p>
<p>Takaji Nanu</p>
<p>Aside from I think is an obvious allusion to the human female breast in the artistic iconography of the three-pointer cemi cited above and its apparent similarity to an erupting volcano I want to point out the prevalent ambiguity in Indigenous mythic ascription. I agree completely that in most ancient tradition the volcano (talking mountain) is associated with a male divinity, and it is certainly plausible that the ancient Arawak ancestors may have made that association. However may I point out the tradition in Maya culture of the so-called "Cleft Head" Earth Monster who was associated to the Witz mountain and the Origin Volcano from whose summit the ancients acquired the sacred foods. This iconography creates in ancient maya culture a kind of ambiguity between the male characterization of mountains and volcanoes and their "female" creative, life-giving characteristics. This ambiguity survives to this day in the tradition of the underworld Earth deity "El Mundo" which is male although it is associated with the female Earth Mother.</p>
<p>In ancient Arawak tradition we see a similar ambiguity in the veneration of the moon spirit whose female characterization sometimes becomes confusingly replaced by the "Moon Brother" of the "Dirty Face" legend.</p>
<p>The point that I am trying to make is that gender ascription is never a hard and fast business in any Indigenous tradition and we have evidence that the Arawakan people are no ecception.</p>
<p>One mus keep an open mind when it comes to understanding the role that gender plays in primordial culture.</p>
<p>Taino Ti</p>
<p>Miguel </p> This is very interesting, Don…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2012-06-21:2030313:Comment:890842012-06-21T03:47:17.742ZAnita Paganhttp://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/Nanu
<p>This is very interesting, Don Miguel. I have questions though:</p>
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<p>Being that our ancestors came from South America, there are incredible similarities between the islanders and the southern continent. The Anaconda, Sachamama, is the symbol of the Medicine of the South direction. She is female. Pachamama is Mother Earth and is female as well, however the mountains or Apus, are male. If our ancestors came from SA and kept the serpent and earth imagery as female, why would they…</p>
<p>This is very interesting, Don Miguel. I have questions though:</p>
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<p>Being that our ancestors came from South America, there are incredible similarities between the islanders and the southern continent. The Anaconda, Sachamama, is the symbol of the Medicine of the South direction. She is female. Pachamama is Mother Earth and is female as well, however the mountains or Apus, are male. If our ancestors came from SA and kept the serpent and earth imagery as female, why would they change the gender of the mountains? The balance of opposites and the natural understanding of duality would still be present without changing the gender.</p>
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<p>And at the risk of sounding rude, I would add that the nature of a volcanic eruption would seem more masculine as well, although I do like how you related this to breast milk...<br/><br/></p>