John Ayes
I am going to post as my first blog entry a comment I had made a few minutes ago to one of our members.
I think it will describe where I am at and where I have been and where my ancestry is within.
Enjoy:
Good Evening:
I am a new member to this net work and I happened to be browsing articles and I found yours quite interesting.
I have had my mtDNA analysed by Family Tree DNA and the results showed Haplo Group C. My wife also had her mtDNA done and her results were Haplo Group A.
Awhile back I had a serious discussion with FTDNA on why they should list my ancestry having Taino Genetic Roots. I got the same old, same old about the Bering Strait theory. I pushed and shoved diplomatically until I was informed to supply scientific proof by way of papers articulating the subject.
Crusado’s work was out because he didn’t articulate the specific sequences he had found within the PR population. I finally sent FTDNA C. Lalueza Fox’s paper et al. While reading that paper I discovered my mtDNA matched quite a few Cuban and Dominican indigenous sequences from the Ciboney tribe. (See URL below It will take you directly to the article.)
http://www.helium.com/items/106908-genetics-and-genealogy-a-path-to-self-discovery-a-path-away-from-extinction
This is what I discovered since then in my genealogy - mtDNA and yDNA research.
1: Indians were exported out of the Caribbean to Terra Firma en masse.
2: Indians from Terra Firma were transported to the Caribbean en masse.
3: Descendants of Moctezuma immigrated to Spain and contracted mayroazgo with the Maldonado, Nieto, Ledesma and de Silva. (I am a direct descendant of these people.)
4: Children from these mayorgazgo, marriage contracts, would carry the Aztec indigenous haplo groups of their mothers which in turn would have been carried to the Caribbean and back to Terra Firma by those children who were now "mestizos". The Maldonado who settled PR, are descendants of the latter.
5: My mother’s mtDNA revealed matches in Columbia, Puerto Rico, Mexico, New Mexico, Texas, et al.
But it also contains French sequences that are derived from her father, Feliciano Ayes Ortiz.
6. One of my mtDNA matches was from New Mexico. He was a descendant of the Ledesma. His ancestors had gained land grants in Mexico from the Spanish Crown by way of Cedula Real. They had intermarried with cousins to maintain "the purity of Spanish bloodline." His mtDNA results indicated his maternal ancestor was a Haplo Group C. His family verbal history informs that they didn't marry any Mexican Indians.
7: You have to keep in mind that mtDNA is only a small part of sequences residing within the larger genome that contains equal genteic sequences and traits contributed by the mother-father and their ancestors. I have an unproven theory that my mother’s father’s sequences was also passed within my mother’s mtDNA. How could it not? In the same token his mother’s sequences were also passed onto my mother and her father as well. Nature is a very balanced system. If one is lacking any part of their parents sequences one would be very off balance and out of tune within nature’s system of balance.
8: I am discovering that the descendants of Taino have become a very distinct race of Indian. Mixed with the Aztec, Inca and Taino sequences.
9: Problem. Genetic science hasn’t advanced enough to find those specific sequences or separate them from one another yet. This is why my theory is just a theory. But I know my theoory will be proven when the DNA science becomes more sophisticated.
10: Know that our Taino ancestry is the foundation on which the other sequences have mixed in with so it should be the strongest.
11: yDNA is passed from father to son pretty much like the replication process of a Xerox machine. Male yDNA Taino sequences might finaly bediscovered in the Ponce dig. We must give those DNA scientists rope so they can sort it all out for us.
After you have read my article on helium.com go to my genealogy page at:
http://ayesart.tribalpages.com
Type in John Ayes in their browser. Choose: John Browne Ayes Alles and follow my ancestry back.
12: My ancestry is from the Ayes. My maternal ancestry is from the de Jesus Santos who came from the de Silva of Portugal. I have used my mtDNA and my yDNA as a guide and immigration map for my family tree. My sequences are your sequences as is the rest of the people of PR.
13: My cousin, Carlos Ayes Suarez, renown archeaologist in Puerto Rico, recently shared his end of the family tree via E mail. I shared mine with him as well. Each tree filled in the blank spaces and dead ends we both had. Within his family tree our de Jesus ancestors were “Pardo”
I don’t have any L1, l2 or L3 African sequences in my ancestral DNA. So that rules out African as being the basis for that “Pardo” ancestry. The “Pardo” can only mean one thing. Indigenous ancestry.
Respectfully,
John Browne Ayes
I think it will describe where I am at and where I have been and where my ancestry is within.
Enjoy:
Good Evening:
I am a new member to this net work and I happened to be browsing articles and I found yours quite interesting.
I have had my mtDNA analysed by Family Tree DNA and the results showed Haplo Group C. My wife also had her mtDNA done and her results were Haplo Group A.
Awhile back I had a serious discussion with FTDNA on why they should list my ancestry having Taino Genetic Roots. I got the same old, same old about the Bering Strait theory. I pushed and shoved diplomatically until I was informed to supply scientific proof by way of papers articulating the subject.
Crusado’s work was out because he didn’t articulate the specific sequences he had found within the PR population. I finally sent FTDNA C. Lalueza Fox’s paper et al. While reading that paper I discovered my mtDNA matched quite a few Cuban and Dominican indigenous sequences from the Ciboney tribe. (See URL below It will take you directly to the article.)
http://www.helium.com/items/106908-genetics-and-genealogy-a-path-to-self-discovery-a-path-away-from-extinction
This is what I discovered since then in my genealogy - mtDNA and yDNA research.
1: Indians were exported out of the Caribbean to Terra Firma en masse.
2: Indians from Terra Firma were transported to the Caribbean en masse.
3: Descendants of Moctezuma immigrated to Spain and contracted mayroazgo with the Maldonado, Nieto, Ledesma and de Silva. (I am a direct descendant of these people.)
4: Children from these mayorgazgo, marriage contracts, would carry the Aztec indigenous haplo groups of their mothers which in turn would have been carried to the Caribbean and back to Terra Firma by those children who were now "mestizos". The Maldonado who settled PR, are descendants of the latter.
5: My mother’s mtDNA revealed matches in Columbia, Puerto Rico, Mexico, New Mexico, Texas, et al.
But it also contains French sequences that are derived from her father, Feliciano Ayes Ortiz.
6. One of my mtDNA matches was from New Mexico. He was a descendant of the Ledesma. His ancestors had gained land grants in Mexico from the Spanish Crown by way of Cedula Real. They had intermarried with cousins to maintain "the purity of Spanish bloodline." His mtDNA results indicated his maternal ancestor was a Haplo Group C. His family verbal history informs that they didn't marry any Mexican Indians.
7: You have to keep in mind that mtDNA is only a small part of sequences residing within the larger genome that contains equal genteic sequences and traits contributed by the mother-father and their ancestors. I have an unproven theory that my mother’s father’s sequences was also passed within my mother’s mtDNA. How could it not? In the same token his mother’s sequences were also passed onto my mother and her father as well. Nature is a very balanced system. If one is lacking any part of their parents sequences one would be very off balance and out of tune within nature’s system of balance.
8: I am discovering that the descendants of Taino have become a very distinct race of Indian. Mixed with the Aztec, Inca and Taino sequences.
9: Problem. Genetic science hasn’t advanced enough to find those specific sequences or separate them from one another yet. This is why my theory is just a theory. But I know my theoory will be proven when the DNA science becomes more sophisticated.
10: Know that our Taino ancestry is the foundation on which the other sequences have mixed in with so it should be the strongest.
11: yDNA is passed from father to son pretty much like the replication process of a Xerox machine. Male yDNA Taino sequences might finaly bediscovered in the Ponce dig. We must give those DNA scientists rope so they can sort it all out for us.
After you have read my article on helium.com go to my genealogy page at:
http://ayesart.tribalpages.com
Type in John Ayes in their browser. Choose: John Browne Ayes Alles and follow my ancestry back.
12: My ancestry is from the Ayes. My maternal ancestry is from the de Jesus Santos who came from the de Silva of Portugal. I have used my mtDNA and my yDNA as a guide and immigration map for my family tree. My sequences are your sequences as is the rest of the people of PR.
13: My cousin, Carlos Ayes Suarez, renown archeaologist in Puerto Rico, recently shared his end of the family tree via E mail. I shared mine with him as well. Each tree filled in the blank spaces and dead ends we both had. Within his family tree our de Jesus ancestors were “Pardo”
I don’t have any L1, l2 or L3 African sequences in my ancestral DNA. So that rules out African as being the basis for that “Pardo” ancestry. The “Pardo” can only mean one thing. Indigenous ancestry.
Respectfully,
John Browne Ayes
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Comment by Rixturey on October 10, 2008 at 11:51am
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Hi,
I am De Jesus on my mother's side. Just a note: There are certain last names in Puerto Rico that are not traditional Spanish last names. My own theory is that they are names of "conversion" I.e. Rosario, De Jesus, de la Cruz, Cruz, etc. that were given to Indios and Slaves. My maternal great grandmother was from Loiza (where there were many intermarriages between Blacks and natives). My maternal grandfather, Joaquin De Jesus, is listed in a variety of ways in the Census records (negro, mulato and pardo).
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