Comments - Further Discussions on Taino Traditions Regarding our Departed Loved Ones - Indigenous Caribbean Network2024-03-28T18:50:45Zhttps://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=2030313%3ABlogPost%3A91311&xn_auth=noThank you!-great clarificatio…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2013-08-08:2030313:Comment:990532013-08-08T20:44:41.584ZAkuTureyhttps://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/FrankAkuTurey
<p>Thank you!-great clarification,"Bagua"'Ocean"--over the ocean--every little bit of clarification is"big",if you know what I mean-I am so happy that we(you)have a scholar behind us!(we have too many "actors',and not enough truth lovers,who are willing to set their pet ideas aside in favor of the actual truth!)</p>
<p>Thank you!-great clarification,"Bagua"'Ocean"--over the ocean--every little bit of clarification is"big",if you know what I mean-I am so happy that we(you)have a scholar behind us!(we have too many "actors',and not enough truth lovers,who are willing to set their pet ideas aside in favor of the actual truth!)</p> Takaji my brother
I am not th…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2013-08-08:2030313:Comment:988372013-08-08T20:23:53.474ZMiguel Sague Jrhttps://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/MiguelSobaokoKoromosague
<p>Takaji my brother</p>
<p>I am not that knowledgable about Palo tradition, which I know is different from Santeria (Regla De Osha).</p>
<p>What I can share with you is the fact that the name YokaHu Bagua Ma-okoroti conatins the word "Bagua" which means "ocean" and implies that Yokahu is perceived to exist over the sea. This definition of Yokahu is very much in harmony of his identification as an entity of the sky since he is seen as being able to rule "over" the sea not IN it.</p>
<p>Takaji my brother</p>
<p>I am not that knowledgable about Palo tradition, which I know is different from Santeria (Regla De Osha).</p>
<p>What I can share with you is the fact that the name YokaHu Bagua Ma-okoroti conatins the word "Bagua" which means "ocean" and implies that Yokahu is perceived to exist over the sea. This definition of Yokahu is very much in harmony of his identification as an entity of the sky since he is seen as being able to rule "over" the sea not IN it.</p> Beike,I've re-read this,I lov…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2013-08-08:2030313:Comment:988362013-08-08T20:11:41.878ZAkuTureyhttps://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/FrankAkuTurey
<p>Beike,I've re-read this,I love it...why in some books does it relate Yocahu to the sea as well?-are they mistaken? also,Beike,in Palo,there may even be more Taino elements,although you probably covered that in the overall term"Santeria". Thank you for this awesome write up.The gourds used as they they are in all of "Santeria",to my knowledge,is NOT used that way in Africa. Also,depending on WHERE in Cuba,there are more Taino elements,or less-for example,I was given white floral baths to do…</p>
<p>Beike,I've re-read this,I love it...why in some books does it relate Yocahu to the sea as well?-are they mistaken? also,Beike,in Palo,there may even be more Taino elements,although you probably covered that in the overall term"Santeria". Thank you for this awesome write up.The gourds used as they they are in all of "Santeria",to my knowledge,is NOT used that way in Africa. Also,depending on WHERE in Cuba,there are more Taino elements,or less-for example,I was given white floral baths to do once by a Palera from Camaguey,which were to be done on the full moon,after exposing the bath mixture to the rays of the full moon for a while...in Santeria,in my years of experience,there isn't a lot of focus on the moon,like with this practitioner woman from Camaguey(in Camaguey,there is 75% Mt DNA of Native origin!) Be well,Frank AkuTurey</p> A glimpse at the some of the…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2012-11-11:2030313:Comment:920862012-11-11T17:59:22.328ZMiguel Sague Jrhttps://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/MiguelSobaokoKoromosague
<p>A glimpse at the some of the elements of the Sague family shrine to the ancestors at our family home in Verona, Pennsylvania</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2767171518?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2767171518?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="750"></img></a> <a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2767171649?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2767171649?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="750"></img></a> And here now for the first time I was given permission by the cemies to post an image that I was not allowed to share before…</p>
<p>A glimpse at the some of the elements of the Sague family shrine to the ancestors at our family home in Verona, Pennsylvania</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2767171518?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="750" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2767171518?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="750"/></a><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2767171649?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="750" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2767171649?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="750"/></a> And here now for the first time I was given permission by the cemies to post an image that I was not allowed to share before because it is the cotton cemi that holds the ashes of our family forbears. I recently was told that this must be shared with our people so that they can understand the depth of this tradition. Taino Ti</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2767172022?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="750" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2767172022?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="750"/></a></p> Please enjoy my posting on ho…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2012-11-11:2030313:Comment:919812012-11-11T17:35:06.949ZMiguel Sague Jrhttps://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/MiguelSobaokoKoromosague
<p>Please enjoy my posting on how our Day Of The Dead Ceremony went on Nov 3 at Sol Shanti's home in Washington County PA. Click this <a href="http://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profiles/blogs/we-celebrated-day-of-the-dead-in-washington-county-pa-saturday-no" target="_self">LINK</a></p>
<p>Please enjoy my posting on how our Day Of The Dead Ceremony went on Nov 3 at Sol Shanti's home in Washington County PA. Click this <a href="http://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profiles/blogs/we-celebrated-day-of-the-dead-in-washington-county-pa-saturday-no" target="_self">LINK</a></p> My sister Mary Lou...Thanks f…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2012-11-11:2030313:Comment:920842012-11-11T17:32:54.299ZMiguel Sague Jrhttps://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/MiguelSobaokoKoromosague
<p>My sister Mary Lou...Thanks for the nice words. I will consider that. :-)</p>
<p>My sister Mary Lou...Thanks for the nice words. I will consider that. :-)</p> Really Miguel, ever think abo…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2012-10-11:2030313:Comment:913372012-10-11T12:18:43.046ZMary Lou Longhttps://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/MaryLouLong
<p>Really Miguel, ever think about putting all the knowledge that you have in a book? </p>
<p>Blessings, Mary Lou</p>
<p>Really Miguel, ever think about putting all the knowledge that you have in a book? </p>
<p>Blessings, Mary Lou</p> Bless you Iris and Bo Matun f…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2012-10-11:2030313:Comment:913342012-10-11T00:07:42.182ZMiguel Sague Jrhttps://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/MiguelSobaokoKoromosague
<p>Bless you Iris and Bo Matun for the postings</p>
<p>Bless you Iris and Bo Matun for the postings</p> Amazing!! Thank you tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2012-10-10:2030313:Comment:913292012-10-10T23:37:20.292ZIris Antongiorgi Concepcionhttps://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/IrisAntongiorgiConcepcion
<p>Amazing!! Thank you<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2767171982?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2767171982?profile=original" width="720" class="align-center"/></a> </p>
<p>Amazing!! Thank you<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2767171982?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2767171982?profile=original" width="720" class="align-center"/></a> </p> My brother Frank
I have comme…tag:indigenouscaribbean.ning.com,2012-10-10:2030313:Comment:915542012-10-10T11:21:41.318ZMiguel Sague Jrhttps://indigenouscaribbean.ning.com/profile/MiguelSobaokoKoromosague
<p>My brother Frank</p>
<p>I have commented many times in the past that Santeria especially, of all of the various African-Caribbean traditions which developed in the Antilles seemed to me to retain many elements of ancient Taino tradition in its customs. These Taino traditions were obviously learned from a still-vibrant, although waning, Taino culture of the 1500's and then retained and conserved embedded in the new Arican-Caribbean syncretic culture. We Resurgence-era Tainos owe much to…</p>
<p>My brother Frank</p>
<p>I have commented many times in the past that Santeria especially, of all of the various African-Caribbean traditions which developed in the Antilles seemed to me to retain many elements of ancient Taino tradition in its customs. These Taino traditions were obviously learned from a still-vibrant, although waning, Taino culture of the 1500's and then retained and conserved embedded in the new Arican-Caribbean syncretic culture. We Resurgence-era Tainos owe much to African-Caribbean culture of all the islands because this culture helped in the survival of a great deal of ancient Taino heritage. Suffice it to say that the Jamaican African-Caribbean tradition called "obeah" or "obia" may owe its name and many of its usages associated with dead ancestors to the ancient Taino tradition honoring the "opias" (notice the similarity in the names). Obviously the early Africann brought to the caribbean as slaves had well-established traditions developed in Africa concerning the relationship with the dead, however the fact that they found a Taino culture on the islands that maintained an equally enthusiastic relationship with their ancestors must have encouraged these African new-comers to mix and entwine the two usages into a new and vibrant tradition which survives to this day.</p>