Compai, Ive been looking on line for a taino dictionary. I have this one saved to my fav http://www.taino-tribe.org/tedict.html. Belive it or not over 7 yo I printed all the pages on that site and had binded ( used to work in a mail room we had a binding machine) Anyways they havent updated that one.

I did see a taino dictionary from puerto rico had a yellow cover and ateby on it. But it seems to be out of print. Do you know of any that I can purchase.

I have the lokono- (english to arawak) one. But even damon corries told me that our ancestors droped many arawak words for other tribes especially the mayans as alot of trading was happening between them.

My friend from janico is very intersted in one of those dictionary too.

Compai, once again thanx for your info. I figuered that he was a main person for the myth being perpetuated. As he doest not even mention enrquillo and the treaty so far. Unless its in the bigger book. I dought it. Maybe if he wouldnt have done it there would been less survivors who knows? The problem now is that many of us are walking around with this rich ancestory and dont even know it. The problem that I have with the book is that yes, I know many of the things did happened. But taino's and other indigenous groups had weopons like the macana. That suggest to me they were warriors. He does very little to mention these things. I am thinking that man taino could have also died just like the north amreican indians. From diseases brought over from eurpe that they were not immune to it.

Thanx for the info on jamaica. It be nice if they could do a dna over there too.

By the way I am reading "Bartolome de las casas-Ashort account of the destruction of the indies" I was familair with his work. I had a book that I read part of it when I first got in about 13 yo ago. I forgot the name of the book. I could not read it ass much as i wanted. Very upsetting. I lend it to a friend and never saw it again. In the short account. Must be a summary cause the side notes refrences the other book. Anyways this book is a good indicator why i could not read or finish reading the full verision. Jesus, his personal accounts are like a horror movie except that it did happen. How can these people have been so cruel. I guess my father feeling about european are ingraved into him. Wither his feeling are right or wrong. My god these first colonizer were wicked as hell. I am not going to go into the detail cause I am sure you read this work. But my god every time I read of one of the punishment and or turtures it just broke my heart. The baby and the dogs was just crazy. I didnt know they went that far.

Compai, I hope you dont mind. I know that jamaican taino were taken to kiskeya and cuba to replace the ones that died. But heard there is a group of jamicans that call themselves arawak (obviously taino) I know they still make casibi on jamaica. But I am curious has there been dna done there too. Cause unlike cuba and kiskeya. Were there more places to hide. Jamaica is kinda like boriken. In that is almost the same size. I would expect that dna would have the populatoin at a large number. Regardless if many were shipped to the larger islands. The only problem I see with jamaica. That many pourtoges, brits, chines, hindos, arabs did have a kinda recent migratoin so the taino may be brought down percentage wise.

Anyways do you know anything about that?

Compai, very true. On top of that I read that dna strands confirm that any admixture found in the cibao region was pretty resent. That would confirm the storys of enriquillo and his people. That alone is negates what he wrote. I also read that the europeans only had two town in DR. Not the whole island was colonized, like it is assumed. With that said I am sure that some of the people that enriquillo took with him had might have had some admixture. But not the way the guy in the article is talking about.

Finals are almost over I will be making a trip to the museum to get the measurements for the box, let me know what days and times you are in

Sorry to bombard you. I have rererere-reading the second link I sent you. The guy says a few things that dont make sence. Below is the paragraph. Its in spanish so maybe I am reading it wrong.

"Provocando que los hombres que estaban bajo su mando, al quedarse sin comandante se dispersaran en la zona en pequeños grupos, y comenzaran a convivir y multiplicarse con las Tainas de la zona, y de ahí el origen de la fuerte presencia de piel blanca entre los moradores del Cibao, contrario a las otras regiones de la isla."

My question is if he is right. Why no taino dna fournd in the rest of the island. Also he is using complextion to seprate taino from cibao and taino from the rest of the island (when no taino have been found) Using complextion is such a bad way of doing this research. My fathter is about your complextion and even my mom is darker than me. From what I read before in columbus notes and in bartolome notes. Tainos were diffrent complextion to begin with. From what I read on tainos they were an admixutre of many indigenous people. Even idians from the same tribe can vary in complextion let along diffrent tribes. Also a member in this site told me that present day taino's hablgroup test confirm the above., incliding cherokee.


He is making it seem like the cibaneos are more europeans. When in fact in the cibao region whe vary in complextoin. From my understanding when enriquillo took the tainos to the cibao regions no european followed. So now this guy make no sence.

http://www.diariodominicano.com/n.php?id=33134&sec=cultura


Compai, the above link is a diffrent article by the same person. It's in spanish though. Bit hart to understand. But on this one he is acknowleding his taino roots. Cause on the other article it seemed that he was writing as an outsider. He also speak about how columbus noted that the taino had diffrent complextion. The only part that I see that he is wrong is that he is stating there are more amerdian ancestory than the other two. DNA kinda proves him wrong on that one. I know that in DR we dont have lots of full blooded europeans.


I also reread the first article. The last paragraph it seems like he is suggesting reservations.

Compai I was about to send you a link untill I saw you had a comment there. Anyways this is the link. I got it from Ruben. (http://www.diariodigital.com.do/articulo,10065,html) I tip my hat to you brother. You always ahead of the game.

The article wrote "la Sabana de los Indios" Is that another name for the cibao regoin. I heard some were none cibaenos called it la teirra del los indios.

Also the person that wrote the article seems not to identify as taino. I am assuming that he is not from the region or he know he is not taino.

This person wrote. "Ahora nos falta, el rescate de los descendientes Tainos, que podamos identificarlos por regiones, para crear reservas protegidas para esas personas, quienes de manera Mística; han sobrevivido en la marginalidad entre indignados y orgullosos.

¡Ellos son los dueños de la isla, así debemos reconocerlos!"


Those two last paragraphs hit home for me. You would think that if we only make up 15% of the population as compare to boriken number. The dominican goverment would give them some type of acknowledgement.

Compai, your very welcome.

Im a bit stressed but I am trying to think positive. I will send you a private email in a few.

hey compai,

Ruben sent me the below link. I figured you maybe intersted too.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23609883/

Hey compai, hope all is well.

Al "Kutubanama" Velazquez's posted part of the enriqullo story on my page. Very intersting. I was familiar with the story. But I thought I knew everything concerning enriquillo so I didnt asked you. And I actually daughted al wasnt going to tell me anything new. To my surprise even though the version I know was accurate it had gaps that Al filled. That thought me to actually shut up and listen. And even asked regardless if I think I know the deal.

But anyway I was telling my mom this story and she told me she new it but not withl the details I told hers.

Then I mentioned the guamo or fotuto. She told me that they had a horn that they blew to let folks knw when and what type of meat was available, cow, pork ete etc. I asked her are you sure is was not a gaumo. She told me that it was a horn made out of one of the animals. That story was is a bit diffrent than what I expected.


Also my question the word "hulle" not sure if I am spelling it write but as hulle dominican way of saying hurry up. I know its not a spaniord word but have not found it in taino dicctionary. Would you know if its taino?

Hey compai, Hoping you and yours have a good holiday. Regarless of its original orgins. I dont mind to much. As you know dominicans call it el dia del pabo. So for el dia del pabo we honor the turkey by eating it. So much for el dia del pabo.

By the way my friend is still not able to attend the museum on weekdays. I am hoping that the muesum will have some taino aritifact that he can see over the weekend.

Have a good one.

I consider myself truly blessed to know the people I know and to have the people who truly know me!!! Anyone could come up with an opinion about the "Thanksgiving" Holiday now upon us because of our Indigenous roots, but I will say the following in this season regardless of what this Holiday historically means to so many Native people: I will cast aside all historical offense and all present day offense to say that I am truly blessed by the Creator of this Universe tohave experieced all I have in this life and grateful for EVERY PERSON I've encountered in my life that has shown me either a positive or negative experience in my life, because I've learned so much from them. I am also thankful for ALL the people that I've encountered in my life who have spoken either positively, or gossiped negatively about me behind my back, because they've shown m e who is truly on my side, and who's against me!!! I'm even thankful for those who have spoken against me beind my back, because they've shown me that I am at east 2 steps ahead of them and on the right track!!! On this holiday of "THANKSGIVING" I'm thankful for all that has happened to me because it has shown me what path to take and will show me the path I will take. I can truly say even in the face of adversity; "I AM TRULY BLESSED"

Good to hear from you! :-) Link up soon again /P

Hola, Jorge. Cuanto tiempo compatriota! Estas bien? Un beso.

Hallo again,
Thanks so much for your mail! Well yes, I have a very interesting job situation at the moment, but unfortunately it is taking up too much of my time, and if I continue this way I will never finish my master degree (about the Caribs)! :-)
And no, unfortunately my common-law husband and father of my youngest son does not appreciate me, and I am in the process of separating. So in that aspect my life is a bit chaotic.
So take extra good care of your wife - it sounds like your a fantastic match!
Another thing; I read about the hurricane Omar - do you know how hart it hit the Caribbean?
Talk to you soon again!
/Pernilla

I am so happy you remember us... Miza is 10 now and she is big and beautiful. Mami is doing well and sends her love. You are spoken and thought of with lot's of love.

Email me and I will get you our info pa' que escribas!

Compai,



I use the stuff that I read kinda for me. Like I told you before I don't think I have the indian looks that many an my family have. So I use what I read in anthropology to connect myself to them. Like you said you have family who dont look as indian as you. But they in no way are less indians. So I am doing the reverse. My parents and family look very ameridan to me, so I think if they are, even though I dont look it, cause they are therefore I am. I know that last part sounds a bit confusing but I am sure you know what I mean.

But I have also notice from the north american indians that I have met they themselves have looks that vary. I could have easly fit into there tribes except that my complextion was bit light for one of them. I have told them about the indigenous people of the caribbeans.They were very intersted. Sadly this was before I met you. So I could have them go to your presentation.


You wrote "My experience has taught me however that in places where you see less of the Indian phenotype, you can and do find just as much Taino cultural continuities. This leads me to believe that our ancestors were more influential than even I could imagine...." You know I have been just looking at how native of this entire conintent have contributed to europe. But never thought that the folks who may not be of native deccent have also absorb the taino part of the culture. I mean the euro and african is very evident. In admixture, music, food etc. The indingounes get played down. I have a friend who is from san fransico de macoris. She is involed in a afro dominican movement. She was telling that in that part of the island they use more african words, customes and practice some type of african religions. I am going to ask her. But I think it was the 3 rio's or something. I am kinda wondering if taino has influnced it. She told me that the african in DR is mostly from the congo and I forgot what other part. She told me mangu is a african word. Makes sence since platano is a african veggie. She emailed me a list of african words still use in that region. Hopefully I didnt delete. If I find it I will post it here. Kinda curious how much of it is african and if some of it is taino.