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At 10:41pm on September 22, 2008, Juan Almonte said…
Compai I just read your below post. I figured you were very busy. Looking forward to seeing you brother.

You know I been reading and looking at alot of youtube vidoe, concerning anthropoligy. I understand that culture should be the main focus. But I think we can learn alot from anthropoligy too. Ofcoure I am in no way trying to school you, you the man! But I find it very intersting for me. I mean even drinking milk. I read that native men after a certain age dont produce the enzyme that brake down lactose. Therefore all the stomach pains from drinking even half and half in my coffee is explained. I tend to look at people from diffrent races and see there facial features. Especially asians. I have notice many similarities. Even the flat forehead or the bump above the eyebrow, slanted eyes. So the cibaenoz that I have incountered I kinda look for these things. I think that because not all of us are going to look as indian as you. I mean even my parents and relatives look alot more indian than me. I have more asian features. But anthropolgy give me an explanation and confirm to me that we are indians who some of us absorb the europeans and not the other way around like many people belive.
At 10:22pm on September 22, 2008, Juan Almonte said…
Hey Jorge, I apologize for the little test I was trying. I was not aware I was going to offend anyone. You see Ruben had asked me to pair taino with north american indians. So I paired family members, with north american indians from diffrent tribe. So when he picked 5 out of 7 wrong. Meaning he picked my family as being north american indians. I got a bit excited and wondered how others would do. So I apologize and I deleted all the pictures. I will be posting the same apologiy to the others.
At 9:04am on September 22, 2008, Jorge Baracutei Estevez said…
Gentlemen,
Thank you for your input into these matters and for keeping the dialogue busy. I have been involved in other projects and have not had the time to answer questions.
I will say that honestly, too much attention is being placed on "looking Native". As you both know, I am more interested in our cultural continuities than in looking Indian. There are people in the DR that are keepers of traditions and customs that are bonafide Taino, but they themselves may or may not be, they certainly dont look it. What I can say is that I have more to learn about my culture from them than from someones very indian face that says little about our culture.
Juan, I will be contacting you soon. I want you to visit my house in a few weeks. Will keep you posted.
All the best!
J
At 5:03pm on September 14, 2008, Juan Almonte said…
Hey Ruben,


You know ruben when I cut my hair short. It gets naturaly very spiky. So I do get confused for ecudorian and salvaordian. My sister too. My dad gets mexican and philipino alot. But some times when I am in areas that are mostly asian they think I am one of them.

I am flattered that you considered me almost 100% taino. That you would even put me in the same catogory as Jorge. Jorge picture does him no justice. When I met him in person I was stunned that he was speaking spanish. He looked like a north american indian to me. I remember when I met him and I kept telling him but you so indian. But you know what! I notice that even north american indians dont look like the hollywood image. I have met full blooded native americans that kinda look like me. One in particular could have been my twin brother except he was a bit darker.


The people in the picture in my page are actually all related to me. I got my mom, dad, my daughter, my sister and her sons, grandmother and grandfather on my dad side. And a few cousins. As soon as I can scan a picture of my moms parent and grandparents I will posted them. You know, I told Jorge that some of my family to me looked if they could be full blooded tainos
At 12:05pm on September 14, 2008, Jorge Baracutei Estevez said…
Its okay Juan and Ruben, I have not had much time to learn to navigate this site yet. I think Ruben knows more than both Juan and I. But your dialogue is great and very interesting!
At 9:11pm on September 13, 2008, Juan Almonte said…
This is why Jorge work is so important. Sites like these taino organization popping up and taino and non-taino (including other native americans)jumping in is important for this movment.

I mean culture is important. But a irishman coming to DR and learning the culture will not make him taino.
At 9:06pm on September 13, 2008, Juan Almonte said…
Hey Ruben


Yes taino genes and culture are not the same. Lucky for us we kept alot of our culture even if we are not aware of it. Even our spanish is very much influenced by taino. Like I said when I went to Jorge presentation. I had seen things that were very familiar to me. But I had not connected them to taino.

Your wrote "for example: If a fooll-blooded Indian denies of his language,culture, food, crops, life style he ceased to be an Indian, even if he is fooll-blooded, I understan it" That I disagree with. Many taino deccendant do the above cause they dont know there true identity. On top of that lets say I say to myself. I am going to stop talking, instead I am going to bark. I am going to walk on all fours and pretend to be a dog. Or maybe I got some mental problems and actually belive to be a dog. That doesnt make me a dog. You can clearly see I am human. It the same thing. You said you seen PR, dominicans, Cubans and south americans who looked very ameridian to you. But they told you the indians were all dead.


If you hear and read that the indian were wiped out in the caribbean and south and central america. You could look straight up indian and belive that you look european and think the indian are wiped out.This is what happening.
At 3:15am on September 7, 2008, Guy Marco said…
Hello Jorge,
I grew up at Yupukari Village.
The word Yupukari really doesn't any meaning because it is an attempt to write APKALI by foreigners. APKALITA is (the place of..) is how the villagers must have called it in Macushi prior to it been attempted to be written - because TA is a/the place of..
The current Chief ( Issac Rogers - a traditional healer as well) of the village told me that APKALI derived from a sound (AAAPKAA )made by an eveil spirit that scared early people when they are alone.
At 11:47am on August 31, 2008, Jorge Baracutei Estevez said…
Sorry I have been busy lately and and have not been around much. But yes to all that you write Ruben. There must be Taino genes in the North American population and vice versa. But genes and culture are two different things, dont forget that!
At 1:24am on August 28, 2008, Juan Almonte said…
Compai, I added two picture to my page. One of my dads mom with two of his sister. And the other picture was taking by my cousin in the mountains of sabana eglesia. These are the mountains my folks come from. I love dominican republic. But the citys of DR does not compare to the moutains of the cibao region. Just beautiful.
At 5:34pm on August 26, 2008, AkuTurey said…
Thank you,and I really agree with you,in fact I was talking about that yesterday,that we need to come together NOT 1st as oue particular Island,but as a Taino/Caribbean,and learn all we can...what we need the MOST right now IS UNITY,in order to be recognized,etc.What,if anything,can I do to help?Taiguey ,
FrankAkuTurey
At 2:09am on August 26, 2008, AkuTurey said…
Oma'bajari,jorge,how's it going?Can you tell me a little bit of your Guabancex wind and rain society?...in the stories,her 2 sona are Guatauba,thunder and lighteng,and Caotrisquie,"The Sweeper",who gathers and holds the waters,to let loose below!...so,I was talking to Juan,and he mentioned you again,so I thought I'd ask.Take care,
FrankAkuTurey
At 1:12pm on August 25, 2008, Juan Almonte said…
One more thing I forgot to add. I think that if there are full blooded tainos. It would be very ignorant not to belive that there could be full blooded africans. I am sure the full blooded african would probably be the easy one to find between the two. Even though the island is mostly a mixute of the three with some people leaning more toward one or the other
At 1:03pm on August 25, 2008, Juan Almonte said…
Hey Jorge, Thanx for the invite. Still havent navigated the site as much as I wanted to. But I have posted on some people pages, included Lynne Guitar page. Also on my page I got new pictures. When you get a chance Can you check them out and give me your opinion.

Ruben. I dont personaly belive that I am full blooded taino, I am probably the least taino. Even though I use to think that certain members of my family who have now passed could have been, or at least very close to be. But I do belive that in remote areas of any of the three island but especially in DR and cuba there could be some full blooded tainos still living. Like I said in my page I am choosing the oppisite route that historian, athropoligis, archoeologist etc take when they write about tainos. I am going to belive that there are full blooded taino living in any of the island untill I am proven that its not true. I mean tainos were considered wiped out. But then you have Jorge Esteves looking people walking around in these island.

Ruben not sure if you met Jorge in person. I am sure that if you did. You would think he is a full blooded indian. He has very strong native features. I have friends that seen him and told me that they would not expect him to speak spanish. Because he looks like he is a northen native american. I agree. I was even stuned when I saw him in person.
At 12:16am on August 20, 2008, Francisco "Coqui" Baerga said…
Hola pa no problemo nañana voy a estar fuera de la casa como hasta las 11 am o 12 pm tu tiempo sino cuando sea sabes que estoy ala orden.

Taíno Ti
Coqui
At 10:15pm on August 19, 2008, adem medina cardona said…
Hey neighbor!
At this time I am in Tualatin
I was planning to return to Portland State University but I managed to get funding for Marylhurst University in Lake Oswego, so I might just stay put in Tualatin, since it is so close to Lake Oswego. P&l~c
At 2:01pm on August 18, 2008, Caracoli said…
Hey George

I was curious, What is the origin of the word "bochinche"
Is it Taino???
At 8:29pm on August 17, 2008, Maximilian Forte said…
Thanks very much for making the invitations Jorge, and also congratulations on your new daughters! Plus, congratulations on undertaking the web hassles.
At 8:30am on August 16, 2008, Jorge Baracutei Estevez said…
Thanks Kutu, feling is mutual!

Max I will invite Francisco and Bobby to join. In fact I have to speak to both of them today.

Yes this site is much more interactive and less of a hassle to maintain. I have to get a website going because I need to put one up for Guabancex and also to post my debate with Haslip-Viera whom gives me more ammunition with everything i read from him.
Its hard working this web thing. I dont know how you did it all those years.
I am working at a snails pace because my wife and I are adopting to adorable African American girls and I have to spend time with them.
Tau
Baracutei
At 5:07am on August 16, 2008, Maximilian Forte said…
I wish Francisco Baerga would join, as well as Bobby Gonzalez. If you can persuade them, that would be great. They possibly mistook my email for spam, or it was automatically deleted. I sent invitations out to about 540 people.

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