It's on 103rd after 37th Ave LOL if that makes sense and it is a couple blocks north of the train....I know it has been there for really long
LOL My husband is from everywhere. He lived in East New York until he was 5 and then moved to D.R....then he came back here in 2002 and he lived in Corona for a while until moving to Far Rockaway where I met him but he does know a lot of people from Corona

Wow that is so funny!

you are welcome
we needed to break up the tension on that page!
have a fantastic night-c

Ok I'm gonna go check out the clip now

Ok I replied on the discussion!

so what you are basically saying is that there is no hispanic or latino and really no "Dominican" or "Puerto Rican" the way there really is no "American" because in the Americas so many people came from other countries....so we should identify ourselves as our original countries....like I for instance am of German Irish Italian and Polish descent and my husband is of spanish, african and indigenous descent....? Am I following this right? So is it wrong for my husband to just say he is Dominican?

I didnt mean to offend you! :( I'm new to all this so please don't take anything that I say offensively! When I used the word American I meant after the European arrival, not the native Americans; I apologize. I mean non Native American Americans, like myself can say I am American but that is just my nationality the way Dominican is just my husband's nationality and not his race. My race is Caucasian (?) My family is all from different parts of Europe. Would that make my race European? And IF, and it' s a big IF, my husband is Indigenous and african (and maybe Spanish), does that make him all three? I think I can say without a doubt that his mother is Indigenous, I can tell just by looking at her, but my husband insists that she insits on a Spanish ancestry somewhere (maybe on her father's side)....where do you think the uncle with the white skin and blue eyes may have come form?

Yes I read that in the discussion. Thank you.
And I understand what you mean by "the hispanic population have been robed of ther birth right". Had the Europeans not come over and taken what was NOT theirs, using DR as an example, the people who live in DR today would not speak spanish, but their aboriginal language. That is why it is important to find your race and not just say you are Hispanic or Latino, which just means you are from a country in Latin America.

Isnt the history of this world confusing? :)

LOL Trying to find my place would be really difficult too! but that's a whole other subject!

OoO I just found a great website that re instates what you were telling me!
http://www.kacike.org/FerbelEnglish.html
I'm reading it and understanding it now! LOL I cannot believe I am up at 3:30 am reading this LOL
Well for me it feels complicated because I am not just from one European country. My mothers side is completely German except for my maternal grandmother's father who was also Irish and British. Then there is my father's side. Well, m,y ancestors over there reallygot around LOL because I am Irish, German, Italian and Polish! But those are just countries. Then you got to start wondering who were the indigenous people of each country? Like I know for England and Ireland it was the Celts, but what about Germany and Poland? And how about Italy? See what I mean?
And my son Mateo oh boy I hope he doesnt wonder about this anytime soon and start asking questions LOL

Thanks!

Unfortunatly she lives in D.R. and just went back from visiting us but next year I think I will definately take her and ofcourse I'm interested in going

I am certainly curious about other tribes and their problems also. I know all of us should stick together. That's what all of the Native tribes of the US had to do, to get anything done. I still think they haven't even began to make up for the theft and rape of our ancestrial lands here in Oregon. I still fight battles everyday, even today in 2009!

Honestly, I'm done with that post. It is filled with ignorance and contradictions.
Anyway are you celebrating Three Kings Day with your daughter tomorrow? I am doing it for the first time with Mateo

LOL My husband doesnt celebrate it either, I think they only celebrate it in Santo Domingo and not in Cibao, but I wanted to start doing it for Mateo this year. It celebrates the three kings that came to see Jesus when he was born. The three kings bring "gifts" to the children. Some people, lke I know in Puerto Rico, because my best friend is from San Juan, they put hay in boxes and put it under their beds and then the gifts go in there (lol the hay is for the camels, like the way some kids leave cookies for santa). Some traditions have the kids put their shoes outside their door and small gifts or candy are left in them. That is what I did for Mateo. Some candy but his shoes were too small for the Dora The Explorer dvd I got him (it's a new one all about Three Kings Day) so I had to put it behind his shoes :)
Anyway I think I need to have a root canal done :( I'm in so much pain since last night....not looking forward to it! Talk to you soon and take care!

i AM WELL AWARE OF WHAT THE TAINO PEOPLE WENT THROUGH. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT SHE WAS RUDE. QUIT MAKING THIS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IT ISNT. THIS IS THE ABOUT THE WAY BROOKE WENT ABOUT TALKING TO PEOPLE AND NOTHING ELSE

lmao hahaha, omg we are not gang members lol, your not going to get jacked up lol

I think Danielle is nanu, stop lying Danielle are you nanut

speaking of education, Samuel the word is members, damn that is terrible, there is spell check all over this ning

hey brother no problem,glad to have you as a friend and hope to read some more of your post.take care and talk another time

hay brother saw your hispanic and latino pic i'm with you 100 percent,I tell people that all the time,I tell them I am Cuban Taino .I have no family in spain don't know of any recent relitives from spain[and when I say recent I mean great great great grandparents at least]I have no problem with the spanish thats part of our wonderful culture but don't call me spanish,hispanic,or latino.alright talk later

hay man when you got something to say long short it don't matter thats why where here to talk,sometimes when I get on a personal subject[like raligion]man sit back and take a chair.alright brother talk to later

Once again, sorry for my tardiness. Hope 2009 rocks in the best way for you and yours!!! Responding to your question, Bohio, is actually the entire Island of "Hispaniola". In both its' regions, Haiti, and Kiskeya, the worst massacres and attrocities against our people occurred there. As far as the 45% estimate, that is my personal belief in how many people may have the mtDNA. Again, that's my personal belief, because just as we thought the % in Boriken was only about 33%, it ended up being much higher. The origingal estimate of 19% in Kiskeya may be wrong as well, and it's my belief that it could be as high as 45%. I defiinitely hope to contact Jorge Baracutey and ask him for more detailed info. I'd rather have that and share that info with you rather that estimate in my mind. As I get more info, I'll be more than happy to share it with you. Tau Ti Da Tiao!!!

Love the pics you have here!!! Yes, soon the KUTU (Condor) and the KUYAYA (Eagle) will unite!!!

Al "Kutubanama"

Thanx for these beatiful images.

I personally hope the numbers are higher, but let's see. I'm just so glad that I have brothers and sisters in other islands and that makes me proud of who I am and of the ones out there!!! TAINO WA'HAKIA KA, O HAYONA!!! KETAURIABO!!! (We are Taino and proud!!! Aun vivimos!!!)

You're more than welcome to use them. I'd like to share these with you. I have many more to bring out!!!

I'll be more than glad to share what I know with you. You are more than welcome!!! DA ANCII DA ARAWA, O HEE DA TO KA!!! (I love my people, so here I am!!!)

Wakia Baba has been around for quite some time and it's great to know it!!! As research continues, words either get accentuated, updated, or added on. I'll help with what I've known. I know I can count on you too with what you learn!!!

I am more than happy to learn from you too, so therefore you'll be a teacher as well!!!

Thank you, Juan. Maybe I should change my screen name to Ivy (Is Pregnant With Another Child) because you aren't the only one to make that mistake! lol

Hello Juan, to my knowledge the Jamaican Taino have long since died out. We have, however, retained several cultural traits, probably more than we realize.

I agree with you Juan! We have the tendency to think that every one was just eliminated. In Jamaica, they are the Maroons, who originally descended from the Taino and Africans. I believe that many of us have Taino ancestry in our blood lines but are just unaware.

No don't worry about that I understand everything that you are saying. You are right again. My maternal ancestors are Maroon, and I've always believed that my passion for the Tainos are rooted in my heritage.

You wrote on your wall:
"Dude you actually asked. You are so wrong. How can you belive documents on people that inslave our ancestors and other indigenous people. Very disrespecfull."

I'm not sure what you are talking about, do you have the wrong person?

I mean "my" wall

Hey!

Have you finished reading Vine Deloria Jr? How did you like it?

Nanu

Oh! Those books are fun!

I hope you enjoy them.

N

Yes, I have seen the Secret but was turned off by the high amount of commercialization... "You can be a millionaire, too!!!" kinda thing...

I enjoyed "What the Bleep do we know?" much more.

The thing is the doing. It is simple but not easy since we have so much conditioning.

Juan, you said:

Cardinal Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros,in around the 1500s,told Spanish sailors to take census of all the people in there colonies,and the only way to keep count of people was by giving out spanish surnames to the indians and black slaves.

And this is my answer:

There were more than one census taken in the 16th century. There were census for encomiendas and repartimientos; others were brought about by law suits and complaints, governmental re-checking and so on.

You don't need to know the name of something to be able to count it. Have you ever counted stars? I have and I only know maybe one or two constellations at best, doesn't mean I cannot count them.

The names were changed to exaggerate the loss of natives and thus t...
Many natives ran away to the mountains. I believe these folk are the same you base your opinion with regards to the possibilities of pure blooded tainos today. Lynn Guitar said it beautifully : "How do you count people who are hiding from you?" If they were never counted, they should never have received a spanish name. The undeniable eventuality is that our people mixed, including to the point of castillianizing their names, changing their names to spanish to fit in.

Consider you own name- Altamonte- high mountain.

With regards to Wattles- he lived in the late 1800's, so it is almost assured you will find much christianization and old fashioned ideas in his writing. Bear that in mind as you read him, he was a man of his time.

You could probably borrow "What the Bleep do we know?" from Netflix, Blockbuster or even your local library!

And regarding the immature discussion :
"I know the discussion is very imature. But I think that if people want to learn about present day taino they need to come with respect. If i wanted to learn about ireland and would go to a ireland site I would ask respecitvly. So because of that I didnt see you had posted your comment on my page."

I have reserved my comments on these and withheld posting anything, anywhere, regarding them, so I am not sure what post you are referring to with regards to this....

Have a great day Juan and hope to hear from you soon.

Nanu

Dear Juan,

not to worry, I know we all lose our temper and I was not willing to rush to a judgment about any of the exchanges, especially as it was impossible for me to see anyone who was truly "innocent" (I may have missed something of course, very likely too).

Anyway, peace.

These people I know about and trust me when I tell you, there are many many more!!! I'm trying to set it up as an album titled "Did you know they're Natives???" Hopefully their ancestry comes out as well!!!

Click on "Photo Albums" on my page and click on the individual pics so you can see who and what they are!!! Some of them might surprise you!!!

As I continued looking for more, I decided to confirm your list and you were right!!! They're coming up!!! Thanks for the heads-up!!!

HI Juan,

Thanks for teaching me so much more than I knew! It has only been in recent years that I realize how many tribal people there are in South American countries, Puerto Rico, and so many other places. I feel foolish in a way, because this are all tribal people and I should have realized that - but sometimes we are so centered, because that is all we know and are always exposed to. This is why the internet is such a good tool for learning. With it, we can communicate with people from all over the world and learn so much that way. We are communicating first of all, on a human level and that is, what we are humans beings first and foremost. The American Indians believe we are related to all life in the Great Circle of Life, but I think we are guilty at times at not realizing that we are by no means, the only native people.

The 13 Indigenous Grandmothers, have you heard of them? If not, I will explain.

We also have a greater understanding of the unity of the Eagle and the Condor and that when we unite in this way, it will be a peaceful and powerful connection. There are things happening now and people who are being called forth to make this connection a reality as predicted by the elders and spiritual leaders and our own individudal histories which have existed since the start of time.

We use the term American Indian as a generic term actually, just like the term Hispanics has been used to encompass all latin-speaking people - which is not quite accurate, as I am sure you know. Many people will become offended if you refer to them in this way. We prefer to identify ourselves by our individual nations - I'm Cherokee, or I'm Lakota, or I'm Oneida, etc. I don't care for the term Native American, because I think anyone born in the United States is a Native American, being native to this country, the land of one's birth. It was once our land, but no more. It's a melting pot. However, history - Columbus, the mass murderer, went after your people first and was such a horrendous horrible poor excuse of a human being. I have read of the atrocities done to the Taino, and we have our own atrocities as well. I mean no offense nor do I hate anyone - but historically, the white man has always been one to take and steal and murder so he could take some more. The native people here have a word for them - washi'cui (wa see chu) which means not white or white man, but which actually means "taker of the fat," in other words, he takes more than he needs but he wants it all. Greed. The downfall of even the best of us.

I enjoy learning about people and I thank you for sharing so much. I told someone else, that the photos I've seen, reminded me a lot of the Aztec- but your people, the Mayans, etc., are an ancient people too. In school in the US, they brain wash us. They will put up a map showing North America and of the course, the maps showing South America and Europe. they will always make North America appear much larger in size - it's to make us think we are big and powerful, when in fact, we are a much smaller country that South America and many others. This is one reason why we have to get together and learn about each other for ourselves, without the interference of the politics of one's country and the rumors we have been taught to believe about any race or religion, which are not true at all!

Well, I've left you another mini-series. lol Have a good evening and my best to your family.

Awesome work Juan!
has anyone invited her to join us here?
She may be interested.
Definitely let me know if she replies
peace&luv-c

I am so sorry we lost each other that night especially when I was offering to take you home!!! It was actually a crazy night and I'll tell you more about it privately!!! It was AWESOME to finally meet you, and trust me, we WILL catch up again soon!!! Stay cool, stay awesome, stay you!!!

tau was up with flute leassons...lol