Anita Pagan

Female

San Antonio, TX

United States

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About Me:: Wow! It's been several years since I been here... In re-reading my info here I find how much has changed and really, not much has. Well, maybe I'm a bit older...

I'm glad to see that Miguel has continued maintaining the site. It's beautiful to see him surrounded with loving, generous people helping him along.

I'm honored he's kept my account active, even in my absence. Thank you Miguel.
~ Nanu
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Taino woman, early forties, highly opinionated (respectful but direct), passionate about all things Taino, very into personal and spiritual growth (as a matter of fact, I see no difference between these) hungry for learning and willing to share.

I volunteer as a co-admin of this network and enjoy the exchanges I share with my fellow members. These topics are not only interesting, but important to discuss, although we must keep in mind that the Taino Movement is out there- in real time- and not necessarily on-line...

I do a lot of writing and at times it can have a tone of authority... Truth be told, there are only 4 types of sentences and although I ask many, I don't write in questions. Just keep in mind, mine is not the last word. We are all growing and learning and we come from different places, both literally and figuratively. My opinions are based on personal study and experiences, introspection, all kinds of stories filtered through my perspective and opinions I hold at that moment. Everything is subject to change at a moments notice and without warning :)

My purpose is not to offend but to generate debate. One doesn't have to be wrong for another to be right. A good examination of a matter can generate some wonderful ideas and open doors we may never had seen were there to begin with. I'm willing to open the doors to my opinions and beliefs, to examine the questions they generate as well as the answers. I'm willing to see what I really believe in.

There are more questions than answers and I find it a challenge to tackle difficult topics. This can sometimes be frustrating, for myself and others, but it also helps us realize that there isn't always an easy answer and ultimately, we are all in the same boat.

Change is the only guarantee and I'm looking forward to seeing how the Taino change...

Respectfully, I remain at your service
Nanu
Occupation:: Certified Life Coach, Home Health Aid & whatever hat I seem to be wearing at the moment :)
Contact Information:: Just email me here and I will get back with you :) Or if you visit my blog site you can email me from there, too.

www.tainowoman.com There is a link to it at the bottom of this intro...
Research Interests:: Native life, Spirituality, personal growth, art, crafting, beading, writing, psychology, history...
Publications:: Bitch-out letter in PanGaia magazine (No.47) on how the forefathers of the USA are NOT good representatives for the ideas of religious freedom.

Personal blogs www.tainowoman.com
Affiliation:: Jicotea Yucaieke, ICN Co-Admin, UCTP (banned for pointing out the president's faux pas...), Member of Planet Earth, Two-legged people
Link:: http://www.yourlogicalfallacyis.com
Another link:: http://www.fallacyfiles.org
My Website:: http://www.tainowoman.com

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Anita Pagan

I cannot say I agree with you, AF RA KAN GOD IN RESSURECTION.

You are perpetuating a hate I don't share. I cannot hate the colonizers for in doing so I will hate that which makes me who I am today- in all my Taino glory.

By encouraging hate we will never heal. The blame game has to stop. We now need to stand on our own two feet, realize the choices that lay before us and make the ones that will lead us to growth and actualization.

Keep picking at a scab and the wound won't heal...

Dec 16, 2008
Juan Almonte

Nanu,

You wrote " I cannot hate the colonizers for in doing so I will hate that which makes me who I am today- in all my Taino glory."

No sure what this person stands for. Present day eurpeans are not responsible for there ancestors, agreed. But not hating people that burned our ancestors alivie, killed babys and fed them to the dogs and everything we know about the first colonzier is just crazy. Regardless of how much admixture you think you have. But that behavior can and should not be glorified even if it means that if it didnt happend we would not exist.

Dec 16, 2008
Juan Almonte

Nanu,

I was familiar with de las casas work before. Like I said I think I had a bigger version. But just read it in bits. Lend it out, now its missing in action. But yeah, I am reading the short account. Even though its a small book that, I as a slow reader could finish in two or three days. I have been reading in bits. Very upsetting. Some stuff I knew but other are just crazy.

With that said I think you misunderstood me. I dont belive in that european must pay for what there ancestors did. Not all eurpeans are deccendants of people who had slaves. And the eurpeans that commited these wiked act are long gone. What I am saying we can glorify what happend to our ancestors. By saying yeah, if that didnt happend I wouldnt be here. Who knows maybe if it didnt happen you would be here regardless and maybe I would not be here. There is profersor (forgot his name) who talk about north america hidded heritage. When you see the clips all he is talking about is the spaniord colonazation of the american continent. He even say yeah they killed indian but regarless of that we should be proud. I actually send him an email. Telling he should be ashamed. I told him that those colonizer do not repesent me. If hispanic is attacheched to the conquistadores I want no part of it. I dont care how much of this admixture I may have or may not have. Remember I am talking about the eurpean of the colonzation periond that should not be glorified. I am not talking about present day europeans even though some act are still being commited. There are many euro-americans who I am sure contributed. I have a friend who is half irish and german. He is very knowlegable about native things. Once he get a chance he will become a member here. I aslo asked to see Jorge.

We should not be stuck on th past but there should be no glorifacation of the colonazation period.

Dec 16, 2008
Juan Almonte

Nanu, agreed with alot of the stuff you said. Might missunerstood you. But I did disagree with a few. But like you said we have alreay done this. Agreed to disagree. I guess we also adding to the agree to disagree list.

You wrote"Have a great day and thanks for such stimulating conversation!

Comming from you I take it as a compliment as I enjoy reading many of your post. Have a nice one.

Dec 17, 2008
Ivy

Thank you! This is my fourth (yes, fourth and last!) pregnancy, so I am kind of used to it by now lol I actually enjoy being pregnant, I always feel regal and more connected to the Earth/Cosmos...

Jan 11, 2009
Caracoli

Guakia Baba (Our Father)

turey toca (is in sky)

Guami-ke-ni (Lord of land and water)

Guami-caraya-guey (Lord of moon and sun)

guarico (come to) guakia (us), taino-ti (good,tall)

bo-matum; (big,generous), busica (give to), guakia (us)

Yucubia-aje-cazabi; (tubercles,bread)

Huracan-wa (bad spirit no),

Maboya-wa (ghost no),

Yukiyu-han; (good spirit yes),

nabori daca (servant am I),

Han-Han Catu (So be it

Jan 13, 2009
Anita Pagan

Wow! Ray, thank you.

If this is an invitation to put our differences aside and re-attempt a relationship in Taino fellowship, I accept.

I am happy to follow the example of the Iroquois and bury the hatchet.

Welcome natiao.
Oma'bahari, nabori'daka,
Nanu

Jan 14, 2009
Caracoli

Bury the Hatchet

Where in my head lol

Sure we are all part of the great reconciliation

Jan 14, 2009
Caracoli

I'm still opinionated lol

Jan 14, 2009
Iris Antongiorgi Concepcion

Gracias por el comentario . HAY QUE SACUDIR .en las pginas de facebook hay una pagina del gobernador alli es donde yo estoy sacudiendo y espero que tu te me unas a ella. Te espero en esa pagina.

Jan 16, 2009
Juan Almonte

Not yet, I will restart. My sister wanted me to get into these postive thinking bood. One is napoeloin hill and the is by a mr wattles. Its all based on the law of attraction

Jan 16, 2009
Juan Almonte

I finished reading the wattles one. I am half way threw the other one. But I want to apply. Its a bit hard I am a beliver in postive thinking. I also have the movie the secret. Have you seen it?

Jan 16, 2009
Juan Almonte

Yes, the movie the hype things up a bit. But still good motivational. The books look good though. Mr hill book is a bit outdated with some info. It seems the book was writtin after the derpresion. Will who's we kinda going threw one now.

I know the discussion is very imature. But I think that if people want to learn about present day taino they need to come with respect. If i wanted to learn about ireland and would go to a ireland site I would ask respecitvly. So because of that I didnt see you had posted your comment on my page. Anyway talk to you soon.

Jan 17, 2009
Juan Almonte

Hey nanu, I was able to find some of my notes.

Cardinal Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros,in around the 1500s,told Spanish sailors to take census of all the people in there colonies,and the only way to keep count of people was by giving out spanish surnames to the indians and black slaves. so just cause you have a spanish last name does not mean your spanish descent the british did the same to black slaves

Jan 17, 2009
Anita Pagan

There were more than one census taken in the 16th century. There were census for encomiendas and repartimientos; others were brought about by law suits and complaints, governmental re-checking and so on.

You don't need to know the name of something to be able to count it. Have you ever counted stars? I have and I only know maybe one or two constellations at best, doesn't mean I cannot count them.

The names were changed to exaggerate the loss of natives and thus t...".

Many natives ran away to the mountains. I believe these folk are the same you base your opinion with regards to the possibilities of pure blooded tainos today. Lynn Guitar said it beautifully : "How do you count people who are hiding from you?" If they were never counted, they should never have received a spanish name. The undeniable eventuality is that our people mixed, including to the point of castillianizing their names, changing their names to spanish to fit in.

Consider you own name- Altamonte- high mountain.

With regards to Wattles- he lived in the late 1800's, so it is almost assured you will find much christianization and old fashioned ideas in his writing. Bear that in mind as you read him, he was a man of his time.

You could probably borrow "What the Bleep do we know?" from Netflix, Blockbuster or even your local library!

And regarding the immature discussion :
"I know the discussion is very imature. But I think that if people want to learn about present day taino they need to come with respect. If i wanted to learn about ireland and would go to a ireland site I would ask respecitvly. So because of that I didnt see you had posted your comment on my page."

I have reserved my comments on these and withheld posting anything, anywhere, regarding them, so I am not sure what post you are referring to with regards to this....

Have a great day Juan and hope to hear from you soon.

Nanu

Jan 17, 2009
Juan Almonte

Hey nanu, thanx for you comment. Intersting in your theory of my last name. I will look into it. I never thought of it like that. But like you said they might have givin themeslevs last names but that doest mean they mixed. We can not assume that every body is an amixture of everything that mirgrated to cibao or the other island. I dont know evry bodly family tree to assume that. So it does make me a bit mad when i see people assuming these things.

But in regards to lynn she is right. I mean even dna strand in cibao region confirms that we were unmixed untill recently. Whats not to say they are still full blooded in those regions. I know we both disagree with this one. But no one change my mind about this untill I have proof. So far dna is proving me right. I know enriquillo took over 4,000 taino people into the mountains but I agree with lyn. I am sure there people in hiding. Some who helped enriquillo and some who were not even slaves.

So far I have been able to trace my family back on both side 9 genraations. my parents come from the same village. No euro deccendant. Its easy for me cause many of my reletive lived to be over 100yo. My great grand father was 108 when he passed and his great grand father died at over 100 yo to and before thm. The more I research my history the more indian comes out. Like I posted before. Spanish names and middle names were not used. So far I have been able to to see where the last name were introduced. That will be hard to find. Cause I dont live in DR and they probably dont keep good records.

"What the Bleep do we know?"" Is this in anctuall movie?

Sure nanu. I was not stating that you jumped in. I was just excusing myself. Cause even though I am still a gentlman.

Jan 17, 2009
Juan Almonte

By the way I knew there were more censoring. I was just stating that this one. I wanted to give an actuall name of the conquistador that king fernand ordered.

Jan 17, 2009
Iris Antongiorgi Concepcion

Me alegro que te haya gustado ver las fotos . Tengo que decirte que lo tiene bien cuidado Pero no asi con Caguana.Pero sigo en mis busquedad de mejora la mentalidades de otro que no saben loque hay en estos yacimiento ,conciencia de que tenemos que cuidarlo.Hay una rica historia y sobre todo un arte que es lo que yo persigo que se respecte.

Jan 19, 2009
Al "Kutubanama" Velazquez

Just droppin' by your neck of the woods to say "TAU TI", thanking you for stopping by and ...

Jan 19, 2009
Caracoli

Taino ti Nanu

Can you post pictures of your Mom's beadwork ?

Also has she ever worked with designs developed by Matilde Perez de Silva ?

I eagerly await your response

Caracoli

Jan 21, 2009
Caracoli

Adapted from the Beaded Cemi developed by tainoray, embroidery by Brooke

Jan 21, 2009
Caracoli

I graph it by eye, Everything is hand stiched, I'll check out that program cuz I need some help lol

Jan 22, 2009
Caracoli

Hope it Brightens your Day!!!

Jan 23, 2009
Caracoli

I wish I could bead, I gonna try to learn. I have some ideas for rosettes
The lesson plan works for loomwork also. Give it to your Moms maybe she can do something. I want to share these designs with the pueblo. I would love to see the pueblo carry on with matilde perez de silva's & Ray Caracoli's work. Taino Restoration in effect!!!

Jan 23, 2009
KUYA

Thank you for adding me to the network. Ahiahude (blessings).

Jan 27, 2009
Caracoli

Mama Mia, I'm Howling at the moon right now. I'm flabbergasted, good thing I was sitting down.

What size beads did you use ?

How wide is the Bracelet ?

I'm looking to scan the designs that I have on graph paper

I will share them with the community

Thank You very much

Feb 2, 2009
Monika/Mamona

yea I do florida sometimes, I was headlady at AIA in Orlando in 06, came out in my Taino Regailia and up here in Ga. this year at Stone Mountain and Indian Springs never did Chambers, heard lots about it but never went several of my friends go occassionaly I beleive Tommy Wildcatt told me he goes to perform and Arvel Bird has perform there too! and Yonah Taylor and the All Nation Drum has gone also...
I will see about coming up.
Hey did you know about the 8,000 Drum Gathering-several of our Taino elders will be here in March check out the blog about it...

Feb 5, 2009
Iris Antongiorgi Concepcion

Feb 11, 2009
Tim Harrington

Thanks, Nanu, I do.

Mar 5, 2009
Iris Antongiorgi Concepcion

Mar 6, 2009
maria

Taino Ti Nanu
Thank you for the nice compliments! I love that song too. It's better then another classic Maria song: "How do you solve a problem like Maria" :)
Painting feathers, there is a processyou have to go through. First I steam them to make sure there are no holes or splits.. This is optional but is a way to try and repair splits. Then I spray the feathers with an acrylic spray sealant. Next I use gesso to create a canvas then I paint with acrylic "heavy body" The more detailed the subject the longer it takes, as you paint in layers. OK there you have it. I will be finishing up some humming birds and I am starting an owl soon.. Thanks Nanu,
Maria

Mar 6, 2009
maria

Nanu, I just want to add your art and bead work are wonderful. I would love to be able to bead. I have had some the best try and teach me but I just can't catch on. Again thank you for your kind words and friendship.

Mar 6, 2009
Richard Torres

Nanu,

thanks for the site guidance...works fine now.

R-

Mar 10, 2009
adem medina cardona

glad you liked the borg pic
LOL
poor poor Max!

Mar 10, 2009
maria

hello Nanu Do you have a picture of yourself posted on here? if not would you send me a picture of you :) thank you maria

Mar 13, 2009
Amalia L. Rylander

Dear Nanu

I hope you get the message I sent you a couple of days ago in response to your welcome note. I believe that I will have a great time corresponding with you and others on this team. Enjoy the week-end.

Amalia

p.s. Who/what is a co-mod or mod?

Mar 15, 2009
maria

Thank you Nanu. I know some people have a problem sharing photos. You look very pretty and genuine, Maria

Mar 16, 2009
Iris Antongiorgi Concepcion

Mar 17, 2009
Caracoli

WATER CEREMONY

Mar 27, 2009
bailamonte

Nanu,
I am honored to find a sister who is strong and has a voice!!! Should it be any other way? By the way, I posted pics of La Piedra Escrita. I just got back Friay evening Boriken and my soul is aching to go back, so I will return in July, this time for a month. That takes care of that!!!

Mar 29, 2009
Caracoli

I kinda was thinking you might have seen it.

I think it has so much potential for our people

I would love to discuss the movie with other Taino what the bleep fans

Mar 30, 2009
Caracoli

wanna chat ?

Mar 30, 2009
Iris Antongiorgi Concepcion

Apr 6, 2009
Caracoli

Bibi Atabey - Mother Atabey

Atte itabo era - Mother of Waters

Coaiba Mamona - Heavenly Mother of the Moon

Aturo aya Guakia Itiba Cahubaba - Sister of our Ancient Bleeding Mother

Acona Guakia Arawaka - Hear our Sacred People

Yemao Guakia Waili - Protect our Children

Waka Yari - Our Precious Jewels

Busica Guakia Ketauri - Give us Life

Inaru Matum - Generous Woman

Busica Guakia Ahia Hu De - Give us your Blessing

Tai Ku Buya Han Han - Good Spirit Yes

Nabori Daca - I am your servant

Han Han Katu - So Be It

Apr 17, 2009
Janin & Norbert

Good morning,
Thank you for the welcome.
I, Janin's husband, am the administrator of www.dr101.info where we try to convey a true picture of the Dominican Republic. This is rather difficult for someone from Europe as for the lack of insight and cultural heritage.
I hope that this site will provide me with additional information in order to understand my host country better.
Saludos
desde Samaná
Janin and Norbert

May 20, 2009
Janin & Norbert

Hola,
Tried to change to change the name to "Janin & Norbert" and I hope it worked.
Saludos

Norbert & Janin

May 21, 2009
Iris Antongiorgi Concepcion

Comments - Graphics - Layouts - Photobucket

Jul 3, 2009
Caracoli

Sorry I couldn't talk, let me know when is a good time to reach you

Dec 28, 2009
BoricuaMestiza

Thank you so much :)

Nov 15, 2010
Agueycoayu Duey

Tau, Bo-Matum Aturo Nanu for letting me join your group. I am still in a learning process.
;^)

Nov 17, 2010