Good day, I picked interest in you after going through your short profile and demanding it is necessary for me to write to you immediately. I have something very important to disclose to you, but I found it difficult to express myself here, since it's a public site.Could you please get back to me on (ronaldmorr001@gmail.com) for full details. Best regards,
Thanks for reaching out. I feel very connected with my Dominican people. My wife is Dominican and my roots are from DR via oral tradition but we just don't know what town. I will investigate one day. Jorge is a great friend and brother. Let us stay in touch.
I am so sorry we lost each other that night especially when I was offering to take you home!!! It was actually a crazy night and I'll tell you more about it privately!!! It was AWESOME to finally meet you, and trust me, we WILL catch up again soon!!! Stay cool, stay awesome, stay you!!!
Thanks for teaching me so much more than I knew! It has only been in recent years that I realize how many tribal people there are in South American countries, Puerto Rico, and so many other places. I feel foolish in a way, because this are all tribal people and I should have realized that - but sometimes we are so centered, because that is all we know and are always exposed to. This is why the internet is such a good tool for learning. With it, we can communicate with people from all over the world and learn so much that way. We are communicating first of all, on a human level and that is, what we are humans beings first and foremost. The American Indians believe we are related to all life in the Great Circle of Life, but I think we are guilty at times at not realizing that we are by no means, the only native people.
The 13 Indigenous Grandmothers, have you heard of them? If not, I will explain.
We also have a greater understanding of the unity of the Eagle and the Condor and that when we unite in this way, it will be a peaceful and powerful connection. There are things happening now and people who are being called forth to make this connection a reality as predicted by the elders and spiritual leaders and our own individudal histories which have existed since the start of time.
We use the term American Indian as a generic term actually, just like the term Hispanics has been used to encompass all latin-speaking people - which is not quite accurate, as I am sure you know. Many people will become offended if you refer to them in this way. We prefer to identify ourselves by our individual nations - I'm Cherokee, or I'm Lakota, or I'm Oneida, etc. I don't care for the term Native American, because I think anyone born in the United States is a Native American, being native to this country, the land of one's birth. It was once our land, but no more. It's a melting pot. However, history - Columbus, the mass murderer, went after your people first and was such a horrendous horrible poor excuse of a human being. I have read of the atrocities done to the Taino, and we have our own atrocities as well. I mean no offense nor do I hate anyone - but historically, the white man has always been one to take and steal and murder so he could take some more. The native people here have a word for them - washi'cui (wa see chu) which means not white or white man, but which actually means "taker of the fat," in other words, he takes more than he needs but he wants it all. Greed. The downfall of even the best of us.
I enjoy learning about people and I thank you for sharing so much. I told someone else, that the photos I've seen, reminded me a lot of the Aztec- but your people, the Mayans, etc., are an ancient people too. In school in the US, they brain wash us. They will put up a map showing North America and of the course, the maps showing South America and Europe. they will always make North America appear much larger in size - it's to make us think we are big and powerful, when in fact, we are a much smaller country that South America and many others. This is one reason why we have to get together and learn about each other for ourselves, without the interference of the politics of one's country and the rumors we have been taught to believe about any race or religion, which are not true at all!
Well, I've left you another mini-series. lol Have a good evening and my best to your family.
At 11:04am on January 20, 2009, Svhiyeyi Aga said…
Hello Juan, Thank you so much for your warm welcome - I am very glad to be here. I am looking forward to getting to know you better, as I hope to get to know everyone here. Sometimes I am not able to be available as I'd like to; I have a lot of other work I am involved with an have an online American Indian/Indigenous news ezine that I started 8 years ago. It takes a lot of time and effort to do it, as I do all the work myself, but I enjoy it very much and I do it in honor of my Ancestors and in honor of all of our Ancestors. I lived in a very diverse city for many years, with people of all colors and backgrounds, and we had a very large Puerto Rican population. However, I never heard of the Taino people until I came online and then when I started my news website, I have met many Taino. We have so much to share and learn from one another. In Unity, there is strength. Best wishes and many blessings, Evening Rain Calling Crow
These people I know about and trust me when I tell you, there are many many more!!! I'm trying to set it up as an album titled "Did you know they're Natives???" Hopefully their ancestry comes out as well!!!
not to worry, I know we all lose our temper and I was not willing to rush to a judgment about any of the exchanges, especially as it was impossible for me to see anyone who was truly "innocent" (I may have missed something of course, very likely too).
Cardinal Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros,in around the 1500s,told Spanish sailors to take census of all the people in there colonies,and the only way to keep count of people was by giving out spanish surnames to the indians and black slaves.
And this is my answer:
There were more than one census taken in the 16th century. There were census for encomiendas and repartimientos; others were brought about by law suits and complaints, governmental re-checking and so on.
You don't need to know the name of something to be able to count it. Have you ever counted stars? I have and I only know maybe one or two constellations at best, doesn't mean I cannot count them.
Many natives ran away to the mountains. I believe these folk are the same you base your opinion with regards to the possibilities of pure blooded tainos today. Lynn Guitar said it beautifully : "How do you count people who are hiding from you?" If they were never counted, they should never have received a spanish name. The undeniable eventuality is that our people mixed, including to the point of castillianizing their names, changing their names to spanish to fit in.
Consider you own name- Altamonte- high mountain.
With regards to Wattles- he lived in the late 1800's, so it is almost assured you will find much christianization and old fashioned ideas in his writing. Bear that in mind as you read him, he was a man of his time.
You could probably borrow "What the Bleep do we know?" from Netflix, Blockbuster or even your local library!
And regarding the immature discussion :
"I know the discussion is very imature. But I think that if people want to learn about present day taino they need to come with respect. If i wanted to learn about ireland and would go to a ireland site I would ask respecitvly. So because of that I didnt see you had posted your comment on my page."
I have reserved my comments on these and withheld posting anything, anywhere, regarding them, so I am not sure what post you are referring to with regards to this....
Have a great day Juan and hope to hear from you soon.
You wrote on your wall:
"Dude you actually asked. You are so wrong. How can you belive documents on people that inslave our ancestors and other indigenous people. Very disrespecfull."
I'm not sure what you are talking about, do you have the wrong person?
No don't worry about that I understand everything that you are saying. You are right again. My maternal ancestors are Maroon, and I've always believed that my passion for the Tainos are rooted in my heritage.
I agree with you Juan! We have the tendency to think that every one was just eliminated. In Jamaica, they are the Maroons, who originally descended from the Taino and Africans. I believe that many of us have Taino ancestry in our blood lines but are just unaware.
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Good day,
I picked interest in you after going through your short profile and demanding it is necessary for me to write to you immediately. I have something very important to disclose to you, but I found it difficult to express myself here, since it's a public site.Could you please get back to me on (ronaldmorr001@gmail.com) for full details.
Best regards,
Peace,
iukibuel
has anyone invited her to join us here?
She may be interested.
Definitely let me know if she replies
peace&luv-c
Thanks for teaching me so much more than I knew! It has only been in recent years that I realize how many tribal people there are in South American countries, Puerto Rico, and so many other places. I feel foolish in a way, because this are all tribal people and I should have realized that - but sometimes we are so centered, because that is all we know and are always exposed to. This is why the internet is such a good tool for learning. With it, we can communicate with people from all over the world and learn so much that way. We are communicating first of all, on a human level and that is, what we are humans beings first and foremost. The American Indians believe we are related to all life in the Great Circle of Life, but I think we are guilty at times at not realizing that we are by no means, the only native people.
The 13 Indigenous Grandmothers, have you heard of them? If not, I will explain.
We also have a greater understanding of the unity of the Eagle and the Condor and that when we unite in this way, it will be a peaceful and powerful connection. There are things happening now and people who are being called forth to make this connection a reality as predicted by the elders and spiritual leaders and our own individudal histories which have existed since the start of time.
We use the term American Indian as a generic term actually, just like the term Hispanics has been used to encompass all latin-speaking people - which is not quite accurate, as I am sure you know. Many people will become offended if you refer to them in this way. We prefer to identify ourselves by our individual nations - I'm Cherokee, or I'm Lakota, or I'm Oneida, etc. I don't care for the term Native American, because I think anyone born in the United States is a Native American, being native to this country, the land of one's birth. It was once our land, but no more. It's a melting pot. However, history - Columbus, the mass murderer, went after your people first and was such a horrendous horrible poor excuse of a human being. I have read of the atrocities done to the Taino, and we have our own atrocities as well. I mean no offense nor do I hate anyone - but historically, the white man has always been one to take and steal and murder so he could take some more. The native people here have a word for them - washi'cui (wa see chu) which means not white or white man, but which actually means "taker of the fat," in other words, he takes more than he needs but he wants it all. Greed. The downfall of even the best of us.
I enjoy learning about people and I thank you for sharing so much. I told someone else, that the photos I've seen, reminded me a lot of the Aztec- but your people, the Mayans, etc., are an ancient people too. In school in the US, they brain wash us. They will put up a map showing North America and of the course, the maps showing South America and Europe. they will always make North America appear much larger in size - it's to make us think we are big and powerful, when in fact, we are a much smaller country that South America and many others. This is one reason why we have to get together and learn about each other for ourselves, without the interference of the politics of one's country and the rumors we have been taught to believe about any race or religion, which are not true at all!
Well, I've left you another mini-series. lol Have a good evening and my best to your family.
not to worry, I know we all lose our temper and I was not willing to rush to a judgment about any of the exchanges, especially as it was impossible for me to see anyone who was truly "innocent" (I may have missed something of course, very likely too).
Anyway, peace.
Cardinal Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros,in around the 1500s,told Spanish sailors to take census of all the people in there colonies,and the only way to keep count of people was by giving out spanish surnames to the indians and black slaves.
And this is my answer:
There were more than one census taken in the 16th century. There were census for encomiendas and repartimientos; others were brought about by law suits and complaints, governmental re-checking and so on.
You don't need to know the name of something to be able to count it. Have you ever counted stars? I have and I only know maybe one or two constellations at best, doesn't mean I cannot count them.
The names were changed to exaggerate the loss of natives and thus the plantation workforce. This in turn justified the ever growing demand for black african slaves. The crown had to approve of this endowment, so there must be just cause for the expense. To justify their need, the natives and those who were mixed were classified according to behavior. Indian women who married spanish men, took on spanish names and behaviors were classified as spanish, mestizos who were raised spanish, had been recognized by their fathers (spanish names)owned property and their own slaves were considered spanish... This can go on... do you see my point? With every indian classified as spanish opened the door to request an african slave.
Consider that a census in 1530 had 200+ "indians" and 700 "others" while a census in 1545 had 5,125+ "indians" and no "others".
Many natives ran away to the mountains. I believe these folk are the same you base your opinion with regards to the possibilities of pure blooded tainos today. Lynn Guitar said it beautifully : "How do you count people who are hiding from you?" If they were never counted, they should never have received a spanish name. The undeniable eventuality is that our people mixed, including to the point of castillianizing their names, changing their names to spanish to fit in.
Consider you own name- Altamonte- high mountain.
With regards to Wattles- he lived in the late 1800's, so it is almost assured you will find much christianization and old fashioned ideas in his writing. Bear that in mind as you read him, he was a man of his time.
You could probably borrow "What the Bleep do we know?" from Netflix, Blockbuster or even your local library!
And regarding the immature discussion :
"I know the discussion is very imature. But I think that if people want to learn about present day taino they need to come with respect. If i wanted to learn about ireland and would go to a ireland site I would ask respecitvly. So because of that I didnt see you had posted your comment on my page."
I have reserved my comments on these and withheld posting anything, anywhere, regarding them, so I am not sure what post you are referring to with regards to this....
Have a great day Juan and hope to hear from you soon.
Nanu
I enjoyed "What the Bleep do we know?" much more.
The thing is the doing. It is simple but not easy since we have so much conditioning.
I hope you enjoy them.
N
Have you finished reading Vine Deloria Jr? How did you like it?
Nanu
"Dude you actually asked. You are so wrong. How can you belive documents on people that inslave our ancestors and other indigenous people. Very disrespecfull."
I'm not sure what you are talking about, do you have the wrong person?