People in general, and even natives, have been brainwashed into believing that America ends at the borders of the USA! They have forgotten that NATIVE America encompasses ALL: of America, and that is sad...But ignorance is not a good enough reason for anger. (Although I must admit, I don't always have the patience to educate all the time either.)
I would like some information, if you could direct me, regarding the genetic familiarity of the natives of this land. Do you have any info on that to share?
As for the Mexicans... my goodness! Again the political and mental borders come up! It would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
I had a talk with a Behike the other day, I think he told me that a Beike works with spirits.
Example Ancestors, Cemis while a Bojiti or Bojitu works as a healer
I have been in the Taino Resurgance monvement for 14 years now and I'm getting concerned at the latest trend of Taino reenactments that I'm seeing in the Caribbean islands and the USA.
I'm in the TAINO RESURGANCE MOVEMENT and want no part of people playing to Indian stereotypes playing on what they think the Taino acted 500 years ago.
In all of my 14 years I have remained a naboria but I have seen a plethora of so called Cacikes, Behikes, Bojitis and Nitainos come after me playing to Indian stereotypes.
Its time for a new restoration!!!
What does the community think ???
I'm ducking!!!!
PLEASE JOIN MY DISCUSSION ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE AT THE FORUM
At 5:37pm on September 27, 2008, Juan Almonte said…
Hey compai,
I will asked Jorge about that too. Next week i will see a friend of mine who is jamaican. He is from the city part of jamaican though. But I will asked him about the indigenous side of jamaica. I suspect that the indigenous part is very small. Cause I know many of the taino from there where shiped to DR and cuba. But I am sure many remained and mixed with the africans and I would be suprised if they also mixed with the euros. Like I said I would be surprised if the so called white jamicans that my friend talks about are actually mestizo's.
Intersting about the 10% male taino in PR. Do you what is the taino male % in DR and cuba?
My father used to make bibles out of soap, they can look really nice if you stain the lines of the work with a brown to dark shade and leave the rest white, just becareful they tend to be very fragile and can easily break , another thing that you might want to try are different color soaps
At 5:35am on September 21, 2008, Juan Almonte said…
Hey Ruben, I dont see a attach picture on the email section. What I am going to do is temporary put it on my picture section. The pictures are labeled and also have picture A & B. So you will give me the picture number and the the choice. The north american indians pictures are from diffrent tribes, Comanchi, pueblo, Yuman, Muscogee Creek, Choctaw ,ojibwe. I google them and read the profile. The counter picture are actually my family. I tried to pair them on the one that look like eachother.
just start carving on the wood or stone, soap doesn't have the same texture or hardness, whatever material you want to work with just go for it, there is nothing like trial and error
my artwork, i have some new stuff but i haven't put it up yet, i have a few pictures in the photo pics/album on ning
At 8:49pm on September 13, 2008, Juan Almonte said…
I am not surprised that in spain they use taino words. Spaniords saw thing in the caribbean they had never seen before. So why not keep the original names. I am sure the same goes for africa. I mean there are things that the europeans kept there orginal african names. Like when european instruments were introduced. I am sure the indian didnt make new words for them. They probably called it what the europeans called them.
Yeah there were many things europeans didnt know off. Like you said potatoe, also tomatoe which is now a major part of italian cooking. I mean pasta with out marinara souce, I dont thinks so. I wouldn't use the word discover. I mean how can you discover people. But I undestand what your saying.
I think if it wasnt for the american contient. Europe wouldnt be as rich as it is. I mean the foods of europe are influnced by fruits and veggies that didnt grow in europe at the time. Look at chocolate. Aztects drank cups of some tpye choclate milk. The swedish added sugar and now it became theres. I can say the same for alot more fruits and veggies from the american continent.
At 2:56am on September 5, 2008, Juan Almonte said…
Hey Ruben, I am actually trying to get in contact with some cousins. I want to see if I can have them email me pictures. I will put them up here. I am also going to see if I can scan a picture of my mom's mother and her grandparents. Who looked very ameridian to me. They both lived a long time. On my moms side her grandmother passed at 97yo and her grandfather passed at 106 yo. He passed away last year. I wished I would have asked them question before they passed.But I did kiss and hug my great granmother before she passed. She was beautiful. .............. So for a moment there on my mom side we had 5 generations living at the same time. Cause I have teenage daugher too.
Jorge can probably answer that question. You know many Dominicans, Puerto rican and Cubans who obviously have ameridian features are still in denial. So there is alot of work to be done. Luckly we got folks like Jorge Esteves. His work is very important. He is really intersted in educating people. Taino and non taino deccendants. I mean when i went to his presentation I seen things that I had seen in my childhood in the village, that my parents are from. But never thought of it as taino. Im like wow we really kept alot our indian culture that I was not aware of. Also taino organization poping up. That helps in difusing the myth.
You actually make some good points. Even in the mainland like you said this could be a possiblity. I dont belive every thing is known. There are more discovery and inventions that still have not come out yet. So who knows. Your theory is a valid one.
If you read about the other smaller island they accepted the indian population evidently living there. But in the bigger island. Esepcialy cuba and DR the indians became extinct. DR and especially cuba are the largest island. Alot more mountainess areas. But this seems to only have happened in the spanish speaking islands. I wonder why. Could be cause of Bartolme del las casas. Cause even in jamaica they still have people that call themself arawaks (obviously the are tainos) I read that in the 50" (I could have the year wrong) They had a president that was dutch on his dad side and arawak on his mom side. He kinda look like Balaguer a dominican president, historian, poet etc etc etc.
But the resean I wanted you to see the pictures. Is that many people belive that the whole island was colonized when the europeans came. But thats not true. There are parts in DR. The eastern part that yes they have very spanish archecture. The land is flatter. Just like in certain parts of PR and Cuba. But the mountain regions. Or what is called cibao region dont have these type of design. From what I have seen in the cibao region most of it looks like this. Jorge probably can correct me on this if I am wrong. I mean to visit both my grandparent and my great grand parent I had to go up hill. One of my great grandparnts felt like I was going up a mountain. Obvoulsy from looking it in picture form I guess I was right.
Hermano,I meant to leave a comment on your page,and instead I put it on my page!-and it was a long answer to your question-please go to my page and read the long commentary on"Hispanic"Thanks.
Hey again,I just realized you're from Corona-I grew up in Jamaica Queens,my father lived in Corona for a while,and I spent a lot of time in Jackson Heights!-brings back alot of memories!I love living upstate,and thank God that there are so many more hispanics now!-I mean a lot!I am VERY grateful for that,for a few years I didn't have too much contact with them.Tell me more about the Guabancex Society!,It's been coming up lately,so It might be a "sign".Brother I am a Bablawo,have been for 15 years,and most of my clients up here were non-hispanics!,There are a lot of Spirirtual people living in certain areas up here,I mean really,there is SO much spirituality up here,so the people were open to finding out about what this Shamnic trip was from Africa/Afro-Hispanic oracles and divination!...magic!"Boo!" jejeje.
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People in general, and even natives, have been brainwashed into believing that America ends at the borders of the USA! They have forgotten that NATIVE America encompasses ALL: of America, and that is sad...But ignorance is not a good enough reason for anger. (Although I must admit, I don't always have the patience to educate all the time either.)
I would like some information, if you could direct me, regarding the genetic familiarity of the natives of this land. Do you have any info on that to share?
As for the Mexicans... my goodness! Again the political and mental borders come up! It would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
I had a talk with a Behike the other day, I think he told me that a Beike works with spirits.
Example Ancestors, Cemis while a Bojiti or Bojitu works as a healer
tainoray
I have been in the Taino Resurgance monvement for 14 years now and I'm getting concerned at the latest trend of Taino reenactments that I'm seeing in the Caribbean islands and the USA.
I'm in the TAINO RESURGANCE MOVEMENT and want no part of people playing to Indian stereotypes playing on what they think the Taino acted 500 years ago.
In all of my 14 years I have remained a naboria but I have seen a plethora of so called Cacikes, Behikes, Bojitis and Nitainos come after me playing to Indian stereotypes.
Its time for a new restoration!!!
What does the community think ???
I'm ducking!!!!
PLEASE JOIN MY DISCUSSION ON THIS VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE AT THE FORUM
I will asked Jorge about that too. Next week i will see a friend of mine who is jamaican. He is from the city part of jamaican though. But I will asked him about the indigenous side of jamaica. I suspect that the indigenous part is very small. Cause I know many of the taino from there where shiped to DR and cuba. But I am sure many remained and mixed with the africans and I would be suprised if they also mixed with the euros. Like I said I would be surprised if the so called white jamicans that my friend talks about are actually mestizo's.
Intersting about the 10% male taino in PR. Do you what is the taino male % in DR and cuba?
I posted the video of Irka, she's Baracuteys friend. You can reach her through him.
Yeah there were many things europeans didnt know off. Like you said potatoe, also tomatoe which is now a major part of italian cooking. I mean pasta with out marinara souce, I dont thinks so. I wouldn't use the word discover. I mean how can you discover people. But I undestand what your saying.
I think if it wasnt for the american contient. Europe wouldnt be as rich as it is. I mean the foods of europe are influnced by fruits and veggies that didnt grow in europe at the time. Look at chocolate. Aztects drank cups of some tpye choclate milk. The swedish added sugar and now it became theres. I can say the same for alot more fruits and veggies from the american continent.
Jorge can probably answer that question. You know many Dominicans, Puerto rican and Cubans who obviously have ameridian features are still in denial. So there is alot of work to be done. Luckly we got folks like Jorge Esteves. His work is very important. He is really intersted in educating people. Taino and non taino deccendants. I mean when i went to his presentation I seen things that I had seen in my childhood in the village, that my parents are from. But never thought of it as taino. Im like wow we really kept alot our indian culture that I was not aware of. Also taino organization poping up. That helps in difusing the myth.
You actually make some good points. Even in the mainland like you said this could be a possiblity. I dont belive every thing is known. There are more discovery and inventions that still have not come out yet. So who knows. Your theory is a valid one.
If you read about the other smaller island they accepted the indian population evidently living there. But in the bigger island. Esepcialy cuba and DR the indians became extinct. DR and especially cuba are the largest island. Alot more mountainess areas. But this seems to only have happened in the spanish speaking islands. I wonder why. Could be cause of Bartolme del las casas. Cause even in jamaica they still have people that call themself arawaks (obviously the are tainos) I read that in the 50" (I could have the year wrong) They had a president that was dutch on his dad side and arawak on his mom side. He kinda look like Balaguer a dominican president, historian, poet etc etc etc.
But the resean I wanted you to see the pictures. Is that many people belive that the whole island was colonized when the europeans came. But thats not true. There are parts in DR. The eastern part that yes they have very spanish archecture. The land is flatter. Just like in certain parts of PR and Cuba. But the mountain regions. Or what is called cibao region dont have these type of design. From what I have seen in the cibao region most of it looks like this. Jorge probably can correct me on this if I am wrong. I mean to visit both my grandparent and my great grand parent I had to go up hill. One of my great grandparnts felt like I was going up a mountain. Obvoulsy from looking it in picture form I guess I was right.
that is EXACTLY what I have been saying!
only by coming together will we regain what has been lost! p&l~c