Jorge, I had a question: I know the two sites are very different, but when you compare the experience in here, with our experience with the centrelink, you don't find that this site is much more interesting and exciting? I still have to both update/correct and move the CAC, and sometimes it bores me to death to even touch it, and I come in here instead.
Stoppin' by to say "TAU TI" to one awesome brother, hoping your weekend rocks like you do!!! Looking forward to very productive "Intercambios", and I also wanted to say...
Im not sure about the Lucayans since nearly 40,000 of them were captured and sold in the DR and PR during colonial times. I can however say that Jamaica and Haiti have Taino ancestry as well. No doubt no question.
All the best compai
Jorge,
Thanks for visiting! I have been swamped and unable to find time to really personalize my page, for now...
My parents were from Cuba, I was born in the US. I learned about my origins through DNA testing. I have one picture of my grandmother at an early age I will scan soon and post. She was from Oriente, I have very little information on that side of the family, sadly.
Abrazos, Martha
hello Again-This is my Number:845-399-9892...Franktaino@yahoo.com
You mention that you are from D.R.,my parents were born in Camaguey,Cuba,the mt/DNA is from my Mom,the females.
Taino ti! Thank you for the work and research that you've done!I am so impressed by the work by so many people on this site-it shows that with love for our subject-we can do anything! I am being trained to be Upstate Representative for "Caney Indigenous Spiritual Circle",please feel free to contact or to visit me at any time,you seem to have a vast amount of knowledge of our people.Bo'Matum,
FrankAkuTurey
Dear Pernilla, Thank you for your kind words. I hope I can live up to them!
The Caribs did indeed many Taino-Arawak villages and in time became bi-cultural and bilingual. As to whether they acknowledge this or not is another issue. From experience I can tll you that once a group of people approriate something, it becomes so "theirs" , that in time the origins of said subject get blurred. For example the word Maraca and instrument are of Taino origan. But most people believe this word to be Spanish! So it may or may not be with the Carib.
The Caribs are one of the few tribes I have encountered that are primarily Patrifocal. So many of thier attitudes are rather strange to me.
Yes by all means you have to ask the people themselves, but remember you will always get varyiing differences of Opinions within any single group.
Keep them coming Pernilla!
Wow,
Not only do you seem to have a lot of knowledge about Indian populations, but you also seem like a very wise and insightful person :-)
I have spent the last couple of weeks reading about Dominica and the Caribs, to get back on track. Most of the information is not new to me, but there is one “fact” that I have not been paying any attention to before; - that the Dominican Carib’s have Arawak ancestors. I have read – by more than one source – that the Caribs captured Arawak women who then stayed in the group. This was the main factor for women and men having different language (and the warriors possibly had a third language spoken between them).
Do you know anything about this? Are there similarities within other indigenous groups?
If so, how do the Caribs feel about this? Do they acknowledge this or are they denying it? And what impact has this had on “their” language?
I will address these questions to the Caribs themselves, of course, but I would very much like to hear your opinion in the matter.
Taiguey Pernilla!
I am a Taino from the Dominican Republic. I work at the Smithosnian National Museum of the American Indian New York branch. My focus is and always has been cultural continuties of the Taino people of the greater Antilles. The Caribs interest me a whole lot too since they are closely related to us.
Perhaps we can discuss thinsg better via email? I dont get on here much these days. My email addresses are Estevezj@si.edu or Baracutay12@aol.com......take your pick! Also if you are ever in New York, please come down to our museum we have lots of resource materials that you would find interesting. 8 years ago my colleagues from Washington DC did a lot of work with the Carib of Dominica.
All the best
J
Hi Jorge!
Sorry for not replying sooner. I would very much like to discuss the Caribs situation with you!
Can you tell me more about your yourself and your background?
My focus is what we in Sweden call Social Anthropology - the discipline is called that - and has very little to do with linguistics or archeology, but everyting to do with "culture", and social interaction between people.
My master essay was supposed to be about tourism development within the Caribs of Dominica (opportunity or exploitation), but I have shifted focus a bit to be more about ethnicity and interaction.
I spend a couple of months in Dominica in 2000, but I have not been back since then.
I just got my hands on the book "Indigenous Resurgence" Ed Max C Forte. Very interesting. The more you discuss and read about indigenous people the more complex it seems...
I will get back to you this weekend with some thoughts. Have a nice day!
/Pernilla
Is it possosible that bothKarifuna and lokono are disctinct all together from Taino? I mean maybe Taino is a cross between both Maipuran Arawakan lineages with an added Yucatan influence.
PLease send me whatever you have on the subject. I am intrigued....!
B
Hi, no I'm not. I happen to collect vintage photos and video/film footage of the old school Cuban/Puerto Rican singers/musicians like: Celia Cruz, Tito Puente, La Lupe, Beny More, Bola de Nieve, Daniel Santos, Bobby Capo etc..
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All the best compai
Thanks for visiting! I have been swamped and unable to find time to really personalize my page, for now...
My parents were from Cuba, I was born in the US. I learned about my origins through DNA testing. I have one picture of my grandmother at an early age I will scan soon and post. She was from Oriente, I have very little information on that side of the family, sadly.
Abrazos, Martha
on the environmental round table. we love to hear your comments
You mention that you are from D.R.,my parents were born in Camaguey,Cuba,the mt/DNA is from my Mom,the females.
FrankAkuTurey
The Caribs did indeed many Taino-Arawak villages and in time became bi-cultural and bilingual. As to whether they acknowledge this or not is another issue. From experience I can tll you that once a group of people approriate something, it becomes so "theirs" , that in time the origins of said subject get blurred. For example the word Maraca and instrument are of Taino origan. But most people believe this word to be Spanish! So it may or may not be with the Carib.
The Caribs are one of the few tribes I have encountered that are primarily Patrifocal. So many of thier attitudes are rather strange to me.
Yes by all means you have to ask the people themselves, but remember you will always get varyiing differences of Opinions within any single group.
Keep them coming Pernilla!
Not only do you seem to have a lot of knowledge about Indian populations, but you also seem like a very wise and insightful person :-)
I have spent the last couple of weeks reading about Dominica and the Caribs, to get back on track. Most of the information is not new to me, but there is one “fact” that I have not been paying any attention to before; - that the Dominican Carib’s have Arawak ancestors. I have read – by more than one source – that the Caribs captured Arawak women who then stayed in the group. This was the main factor for women and men having different language (and the warriors possibly had a third language spoken between them).
Do you know anything about this? Are there similarities within other indigenous groups?
If so, how do the Caribs feel about this? Do they acknowledge this or are they denying it? And what impact has this had on “their” language?
I will address these questions to the Caribs themselves, of course, but I would very much like to hear your opinion in the matter.
I will soon get back with more questions!
Have a nice day!
/Pernilla
I am a Taino from the Dominican Republic. I work at the Smithosnian National Museum of the American Indian New York branch. My focus is and always has been cultural continuties of the Taino people of the greater Antilles. The Caribs interest me a whole lot too since they are closely related to us.
Perhaps we can discuss thinsg better via email? I dont get on here much these days. My email addresses are Estevezj@si.edu or Baracutay12@aol.com......take your pick! Also if you are ever in New York, please come down to our museum we have lots of resource materials that you would find interesting. 8 years ago my colleagues from Washington DC did a lot of work with the Carib of Dominica.
All the best
J
Sorry for not replying sooner. I would very much like to discuss the Caribs situation with you!
Can you tell me more about your yourself and your background?
My focus is what we in Sweden call Social Anthropology - the discipline is called that - and has very little to do with linguistics or archeology, but everyting to do with "culture", and social interaction between people.
My master essay was supposed to be about tourism development within the Caribs of Dominica (opportunity or exploitation), but I have shifted focus a bit to be more about ethnicity and interaction.
I spend a couple of months in Dominica in 2000, but I have not been back since then.
I just got my hands on the book "Indigenous Resurgence" Ed Max C Forte. Very interesting. The more you discuss and read about indigenous people the more complex it seems...
I will get back to you this weekend with some thoughts. Have a nice day!
/Pernilla
I didn't know that Jake LaMatta was Taino! Hehehe, I'll be in touch soon.
Yes, it is a great pleasure to be in this areito together. Guabancex is smiling at the site of her people gathering to reclaim and celebrate!
PLease send me whatever you have on the subject. I am intrigued....!
B