Ruben I posted on your page. But I will add something here. That even though african and spaniord did go to boriken. It was not even close to the numbers in cuba and kiskeya. Onother myth is that there were no african women brought to this continent. African women were in high deman in the caribbean. The caribbean was actually a satelite for the african slaves and many were breed there. Sad but true.
Yes kiskeya and cuba even more has more land that boriken. But I think that percentage wise we are small but if you do that math we may be the same to puerto rico numbers or atleast close. Now cuba is a diffrent story.
So I do belive that the 15% found in kiskeya is accurate. Remember not evey taino was tested but also not every non taino. Its just an estimation. If they would say that the they found over 30% of the dominican population has taino ancestory I would think its made up. Now if in boriken they would actually say that the numbers are closer to 80% I would not belive it. Cause boriken now has many eurpean living in the island. Many dominican live there too. Many may or may not be of taino ancestory. Just in like in DR. Recently we been getting many eurpeans buy land especially spaniords, german and itailians.
I honestly dont belive they have looked for y-chromozone. I might be wrong. But I dont see how its possible to find people who are above 50% taino let alone the once they found who are 75, 80 or 98 % taino without male contribution. Logic tells us its not possible.
Al "Kutubanama" blessing to you my brother. Hope you enjoy your holidays and looking forward to what you can add to the above comment for ruben.
Brother thanx for you nice comments on my cousin. She was very loved. I was actually surprised at her funeral when there was so much people that they didnt fit and also stayed outside regardless of how the weather was.
You wrote "My lineage is that of a WARIBO (warrior) and a Behike (shaman). If you look closely at the pic I have of my parents, you can closely see what their individual medicine was in either comparison."
Your parents are very good looking folks. I didnt comment on your pictures earliers as it is obvioius of there's and your strong ameridan feature. But your last sentice I dont understand. Could you explian
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Brother I will be honest with you I thought I knew that story so I never asked Jorge about it. So I thought you were going to repeat things I already knew. But there are gaps in the story that I know that you compleatly filled. I got goosebumps from reading it. Very detailed, it made me very proud. Please keep it comming.
I am going to paste a story that I told Jorge and later ruben on this site. As it is relevant to the history lesson you are giving me.
Intersting story. My dad was talking to me and my brother in law. He had just cooked yucca. I told him( que bueno yo le tenia un deso a la yucca) My dad started talking about yucca. He said that the town that they are from use to make casibbe bread. And that this process has to be handled with care. Cuase making cassebe can be dangeruous casue of the poisines liqued. He mentioed a way to filter it. I was paying attention. But I was already familir with this process cause of my studies........Anyways what he and my mom told us next stunned me and my brother in law. Both my parents said that they both ate plantanos for the first time here in the USA. In the late 60's. They said that they didt even know what a platano was until they came to the states. Yucca was the main crop even till this day. Ofcourse now they have platanos but yucca is the dominant vegie. That is crazy. So for over 400 years of platain being in DR. These folks had never even seen a plantain. Intersting ha!
I also told Jorge when I met him a few month ago. That my father cousin started researching our ancestory and discovered some documents that my father father family were deccendants of slave. So I asked my father we are deccendants of african slaves. My father said no, the documents have indio as slaves. That stunnded me cause I didnt think the spaniords would have kept good records of taino slaves. I told Jorge the story thinking that he was going to say its BS cause I thought the spaniords didnt keep indian slave records. Pluss I thought it was BS. But Jorge was not surprised. He told me he new of similar records. I was going to go to DR and photocopy those records. But because of personal issue I wont be able to make the trip. My parents will go in a few months I will asked them to photocopy these records for me.
I am honored by your words and want you to know that the feeling of respect and prayers of blessings that you expressed to me are mutual and I send them also to you and your family.
Hey brother sorry for making my last comment so long. I didnt realize I typed alot until I hit the the add comment.
Anwyays thank for the picture asswell, very nice. I was not aware that we could upload pictures into the comment box
I am hoping that this resurgence of our people unites taino and stops this ignorant hate between dominican. puerto rican and cubans and even with south american. And eventually unite all indiginous people of this whole continent. I will admit my only interst is indigenous part of this population regarless of what part of the continent they come from.
Brother once again thanx for your comment and enjoy your holiday.Blessing to you and yours.
Hey brother, thanx for your very educational comment left on my page. Very intersting that you can brake down your admixture. Diffently explain you strong ameridian looks. Even though I am using the word admixture the european in you is so small that the taino negates the whole thing. From speaking to people I notice I am one of the few folks that says that we are taino with little admixture. You are a good example of it. Even though with that said looks are not a good indicator. Chuck Norris who's mother is half cheerokee and irish and father is also the same half cherokee and irish looks compleatly irish. I also hear people say that our taino ancestory only comes from a maternal liniage. I beive thats another pile of crap. There is no way that no taino men didnt contribute to our gene pool. That a eurocentric point of view.
I am familiar with enriquillo, his great fight against the spaniords and other many brave taino warrios from diffrent part of the caribbean, Ofcourse I would love to learn more. The only problem that I notice is that even in war our ancestors were kind to not kill unlless they had to. In other words our ancestors would let european go if they gave up. That was our downfall, the europeans of that era had no honor. I tell people even though true that many europeans killed many indigenous people threw this continent. More of them died threw european disseases. Indiginous people also killed many europeans aswell. You mentioned bahoruco, I belive this region of kiskeya is also called cibao region. I heard that other dominicans even call that regions indio land.
You mentioned the taino survival in the estern part of cuba. Funny as the cibao region is in the western part of the island. Very intersting.
Thanx for comments on my familys pictures. Picture 15 is my first cousin who actually resemble a younger version of my mom. Except my mom is a shade darker. Anyway my cousin name is wendy. She passed away a year ago. A drunk driver hit the passenger side of her boyfriends car. A few hours later she died in the hospital. R.I.P. Wendy. We love you and miss you.
Picture 22 are my dads parents. I dont have any pictures scanded of my moms parents who also look very ameridian. At one point in my youth. I use to think that both side of my family were full blooded indians. I am starting to think my original thought are more accurate than I thought. My mom and dad are from the same village.Looks more like a mountain. I have a picture of it on my page. My mom tells me dad three generation back there were no spanish first and middle name used by both side of my family. Her grandmother was named anacaona and grandfather apolinar. She mentioned other wiered names that I email to Jorge and he confirmed that they were taino.
I appreciate this sentiment and I share your feelings about Thanksgiving. As you do, I also believe that at the same time that we Indigenous people have the responsibility to combat the misconceptions associated with the holiday of Thanksgiving here in the US we must recognize that our ancestors did observe special days upon which gratitude was expressed to the Great Spirit Yaya Guaturey for the good things that we are blessed with. November 27 is as good a da as any to pause and give thanks for the blessings that we enjoy.
Taino TiMiguel Sobaoko Koromo Sague
Hey I read your reply to ruben. I agree. Even though people tell me its impossible. But I personaly do belive that in kiskeya, boriken and cuba there could be tainos who are pure or atleast very close to pure bloods.
I actually belive that many of the tainos deccendants are actually tainos with little europeans admixture or african or little of both. Not to say that there are not pure blacks. Like in kiskeya. I know for a fact that especially on the eastern side of the island there are dominicans who are very african. Just like the opposite of the island cibao region. You will see more ameridan looking people. Jorge estevez is a great example of it.
Pleasure to "meet "you,I read your page,you sound like a good/smart brother.I don't have nice taino picturs up,as I don't have a good camara.OR a good computer-this one is very old and can't handle to much data!I would like to ask that you join me on my discussion of the latest study on DNA-done in Cuba,but say's that the same Haplogroup "A" MtDNA exists in Boriken tambien,so I would think that many would be interrested in this controversial/interesting information about "who we are"today.I ordered a Cemi of Yucahu from Tainoray,I can't wait to get it,I will activate it,as per my Behique's intructions(Beike Miguel Sobaoko Koromo Sague)-do YOU know of any source for other Cemis?!-and Taino music!?-I have a feeling that you could"hook me up",with sellers of all the different Cemis and Taino music,clothes,etc.,etc.,etc! Taiguey ,Bo'Matum,
Hello and welcome Kutubanama! Along with Josh Torres, I am the sometimes present co-admin for the network, so if you ever run into any difficulties in using this site, please let either of us know--although you seem to have mastered things: fantastic photos, great profile page. It's great to have you in this network and I hope you find it beneficial and can make good use of it.
Wow!!! It has been years!!! Thanks for the add. Glad to find you here. Hope everything is going good. Please keep in touch and call us when you come to Boriké!!!
BTW, thanks for the cool pic.
Talk to you soon.